#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[klu]

Let's back up for a moment. I am trying to speak the truth about what is happening and now it feels like I am being silenced for that. Shouldn't I be deserving to voice my criticisms on the matter too?

I didn't say anything at first since Klu sounded quite snarky at first. Later on, they seemed to have bowed out wishing luck to us and they were still getting demonized for that.

I appreciate it Tigs.

I see a lot of online whining. I think we all do. Maybe it'd be better if we saw less, I'm 41 and still kinda thinking on that one.

I see this healer strike thread, and it immediately strikes me as just more self-important whinging into a vacuum, a sort of toddler tantrum complete with stomping feet.

And I wonder why we still do this. Like how many times has a "strike" in a video game really helped? (Unless said strike included the cancelation of money...)

So yeah. I came in here and was surprised that this thing still had legs this long after DT dropped. Devs world wide have never been as fluent in any coding language ever conceived as they are in the language of "dont care, didnt ask, gg lawl."

So why bother?

Well, as I learned, the state of healer issues has in fact been something Yoshi himself has learned about, and commented in. So there's that.

I have never seen an event quite like that. Wouldn't have believed it was possible. My hats off to the squeaky wheels.

[Tigore]

I've definitely seen a lot of complaining on other forums in the past too. I've had some discussions with a few people on how some ideas could solve the problems. The SCH fairy is an obvious one with debate still, but I am still uncertain about other parts like which card system to use for AST. We may have mentions of the oldest one, but those were also the days we dreaded seeing "The Spire" and "The Arrow". Only BLMs seemed to like the Arrow and I believe NINs hated that card and asked us not to give it to them since it drifted their rotation. In which case, ForsakenRoe seems to have some good ideas from what I noticed. They are already neatly placed in a thread of its own too. https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ou-fix-it-line. Hope I got that link working.

I get that venting frustrations and complaining can raise awareness to the problem, but we eventually learn that it's only really good with drawing attention to the problem. Someone still has to come up with a solution to solve it. The frustration happened ever since Shadowbringers with letting the devs decide what was the best solution, so it may very well fall to us to say what is needed now. It doesn't make sense to tell someone to come up with something for us if we already know they don't know what that is >.>

In any case, those have been my frustrations. Players are telling us the healer strike may not be digging deep enough and they may very well be right. I have a Savage raiding friend, but he doesn't notice the green river as much from forming static groups. So it comes down to how well the dungeon finder wait times are for judgment. Looking at some other YouTube video comments, the healers are still looked at as very melodramatic as you said, Klu. Since we can only expect so much from new healers trying out the role. Although the suggestion to actually drop the game would be a bit "too permanent" so to speak. If I am having to do that, I am either very busy with something else or I am done and don't care anymore.

It's clear that at least some here have indeed boycotted the healer role for queuing for dungeons. I am levelling DPS classes as a main reason, but I am still persistent with DPS for the Expert roulette now. I might use the healer role for friends like for map parties, but that is my only exception so far. The plan I am thinking of is something akin to malicious compliance. Let the devs think the new healers replaced the veterans and teach the new players how to heal efficiently if asked. I will also try my best to perform well enough so they don't need to heal as much. Some days lag gets in the way or I don't notice something on time, but it happens. Once they can Glare spam like us, they can decide if they like it or not. I noticed several have come in to say they did not and joined the cause.

[JuicyHeals]

So then what do you gain by shittingg on people for what you call whining? People have pretty valid grievances and they're allowed to voice concern for it.

Maybe the strike will or won't work but what's not needed is for you to come and disregard this as a nothing burger

[Alice_Rivers]

I kind of understand the rationale for creating Freecure but it's also a clear failure of design, rather than being a chance for free cure 2, it should be either MP based or token based so that it charges as long as you're below 2k MP or you get one charge for every three cure 1 casts so that it's actually useful. While it's true to say that EW WHM is the only iteration I have experience with I don't really have a problem with it but I'm also not especially attached to it either, I just think that gauges should be consistently a job thing rather than a class thing.

[klu]

So then what do you gain by shittingg on people for what you call whining? People have pretty valid grievances and they're allowed to voice concern for it.

Maybe the strike will or won't work but what's not needed is for you to come and disregard this as a nothing burger

Let's not do a validity spiral okay? You're entitled to raise grievances, I'm entitled to criticized them, you're entitled to criticize me right back, yadda yadda yadda.

[JuicyHeals]

Let's not do a validity spiral okay? You're entitled to raise grievances, I'm entitled to criticized them, you're entitled to criticize me right back, yadda yadda yadda.

I agree you can criticize but I would say what you typed isn't criticism just complete dismissal

[Tigore]

I was debating on mentioning some things for Freecure, but it looks like it was the right call for me to wait. I remember quite a bit of what was discussed months ago, ForsakenRoe.

In any case, I had some concerns too that we are hitting a stalemate with the healer strike. The Savage PF front has the green river, but this probably just gets noticed 5 - 10% of the time for the community. It's essentially just a small warning and the other players more care about what happens in the random dungeon roulette. Since Yoshida and the devs seem to care more about what the perceived new casual healers think rather than us "toxic veterans", we probably should turn our attention to that direction on what we can do as a next phase.

Since it seems some of the players don't believe us that Glare spam happens and the WAR / PLD can steal away their jobs, we might have to do a live demonstration more often, so to speak. I am already doing my best to provide high damage with my DPS survival cooldown use, but it still might not be enough. The other players say that these OP strats only happen when we have coordinated players around. We supposedly have a discord link on the first post for a server to use. When we have some free time, maybe we could ask the moderators there to form groups to make the runs as trivial as possible for the new healers? If the healers die on the 93 trial? No problem. We have a WAR and PLD to take over >.> Now I'm not saying we keep them dead on purpose. If we do have a RDM / SMN, still raise them. The goal is to expose the design flaws to the public as much as possible. Make the runs so boring that the healers have to glare spam to do something meaningful. Make them watch the tanks do their job for them with oGCDs. Make everyone watch and laugh how some raidwides have difficulties breaking AoE barriers because the boss got Addled / Feinted with a tank raid mitigation effect combined together.

[AmiableApkallu]

The Savage PF front has the green river, but this probably just gets noticed 5 - 10% of the time for the community.

Well, yes, because the the actual problem is a blue river. I'm always waiting on tanks to fill. I'm always seeing parties that could fill if only there were one or two more tanks.

Unless, of course, that sort of thing depends on your data center, the time of day you want to raid, the people you normally raid with, your own personal choice of job, etc. etc.

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I mean, "popularity" strikes me as one of the worst metrics to base class/job design around. It's better that a class/job (or role) attract a dedicated following than the mercurial folk who will jump ship as soon as another hotness appears on the scene.

[BunnyQueen]

Well, yes, because the the actual problem is a blue river. I'm always waiting on tanks to fill. I'm always seeing parties that could fill if only there were one or two more tanks.

Unless, of course, that sort of thing depends on your data center, the time of day you want to raid, the people you normally raid with, your own personal choice of job, etc. etc.

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I mean, "popularity" strikes me as one of the worst metrics to base class/job design around. It's better that a class/job (or role) attract a dedicated following than the mercurial folk who will jump ship as soon as another hotness appears on the scene.

2 of 3 NA datacenters have next to no healers, and waiting ages for one in PF.