#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Bobby66]

It's healers. Not "the community".
Not to mention, you're comparing apples and oranges, and not even accurately, in the case of CC, chat was limited in all modes, and it took less than a day for toxic spam to start even with the limited chat that we had - not that "everyone" did it, but it happened frequently enough.

In the case of DPS skills, we have less than we used to have, fine, but where it matters, having less DPS skills makes it more difficult to optimize now. There have been some very good posts outline why so no, it's not "impossible to screw up", I would argue that there are better ways to design a job, if cognitive overload is a concern, probably by integrating healing and DPS skills (like macrocosmos).

No it would be the community, hell we had an entire saga in this game where people were debating healer doing doing verse those that wanted to heal bot. We still have debates about people regarding W2W verse single pull tanks. Back in the day we had debates over tank stance verse dps stance tanking. Our community has shown itself that "optional" cannot just be optional.

As stated by many sure you can come up with a bunch of ideas, but if it goes against what the main Dev wants GG getting that change. For whatever reason Yoshi-P thinks what he is doing is best. Sure we have some nuggets of him changing his mind, but at this point retracting from his notion of limiting options would not be a good look because they have not done it to a bunch of classes.

Sadly, all those great ideas are not from devs that actually work on the game, so yes some of them are neat but I have more faith that I will wake up one day with a million dollars in my bank verse then actually taking of said suggestions listed here to heart. Any change they take legit would have to fit within the scope of keeping the DPS kit a limited as humanly possible. As that quote from 2021 states the idea for healer is not to conflate that healers need to do good damage while also healing. Clearly they don't trust people to do both.

Remember it seems Yoshi-P rather have skill expression be expressed by completing harder content like Ult.

[Aravell]

Any change they take legit would have to fit within the scope of keeping the DPS kit a limited as humanly possible. As that quote from 2021 states the idea for healer is not to conflate that healers need to do good damage while also healing. Clearly they don't trust people to do both.

The funny thing is that the current healer design makes it more punishing for new players to do damage.

As we know, newer players generally either don't know what OGCDs are or they save those for emergencies. This means that they normally spam GCD heals, and every GCD spent on not their filler is a lot of lost damage that will continue to stack up.

Contrast that with pre-ShB, where you can put up all your DoTs and not lose as much to GCD healing. In their effort to make doing damage more accessible, they've managed to make it harder to do damage for the very people that needed that accessibility in the first place.

[Bobby66]

The funny thing is that the current healer design makes it more punishing for new players to do damage.

As we know, newer players generally either don't know what OGCDs are or they save those for emergencies. This means that they normally spam GCD heals, and every GCD spent on not their filler is a lot of lost damage that will continue to stack up.

Contrast that with pre-ShB, where you can put up all your DoTs and not lose as much to GCD healing. In their effort to make doing damage more accessible, they've managed to make it harder to do damage for the very people that needed that accessibility in the first place.

They made it harder to optimize, but I do not think most normal mode and dungeon healers care about what is optimal. People also did not like dot management either.

They did make it more accessible by the nature of making it so healers do not have to play optimally to clear the content. I mean come on we already have people crying about the current difficulty of the current normal mode raid. They can throw out a dps spell every so often and generally get a clear in both normal and dungeon content.

Which is where I think personally they balance the classes around that level of play, but then add harder content like ult to challenge players. It is a balance idk maybe in their heads they feel if they add a little more depth to jobs they will have to tone down encounters to keep a certain balance idk.

Maybe I am crazy but isn't the healer strike about normal play? I am pretty sure we all understand that the balance from the bottom up not top down. They have shown this is the direction they wish to go with many job changes. So that means depth and difficulty comes from the encounters, but the moment they even slightly add some difficulty people whine and cry about it. The devs are in a weird spot and I do not envy them.

End of the day the avg player is bad, we need to accept that what may seem simple for us may not be the case for others.

[Supersnow845]

They made it harder to optimize, but I do not think most normal mode and dungeon healers care about what is optimal. People also did not like dot management either.

They did make it more accessible by the nature of making it so healers do not have to play optimally to clear the content. I mean come on we already have people crying about the current difficulty of the current normal mode raid. They can throw out a dps spell every so often and generally get a clear in both normal and dungeon content.

Which is where I think personally they balance the classes around that level of play, but then add harder content like ult to challenge players. It is a balance idk maybe in their heads they feel if they add a little more depth to jobs they will have to tone down encounters to keep a certain balance idk.

But I mean that just circles back round to “if they are balancing the content assuming that the healer is getting 1 GCD uptime in every 10 because they are overwhelmed then the design of the damage kit shouldn’t matter because you just engage with it as far as you are able”

[Bobby66]

But I mean that just circles back round to “if they are balancing the content assuming that the healer is getting 1 GCD uptime in every 10 because they are overwhelmed then the design of the damage kit shouldn’t matter because you just engage with it as far as you are able”

What I am saying is let us be honest, what MMO community do you know of that would not push people to do what is best or fastest? It is the same issue with specs. Say you enjoy playing a certain spec but it does a certain percentage less then another you know parts of the community to not let said spec take part. Just how gamers are.

Say they made it 100% optional people would still push for it to be the standard. We still see it with shit like W2W and single pull tanks. Optional is optional but some people would go out their way to push others to a certain standard. I do not think SE is for that. Take the change to feast chat, honestly I think we should have chat and just report the bad apples, but they rather just nuke chat to limit the issue altogether.

[Kes13a]

But I mean that just circles back round to “if they are balancing the content assuming that the healer is getting 1 GCD uptime in every 10 because they are overwhelmed then the design of the damage kit shouldn’t matter because you just engage with it as far as you are able”

I think that according to Y-P and the target playerbase... that sentence should be reworked to..."they balance the content because healers are being overwhelmed and cant do jack without stress or feeling responsible"

they picture most healers as those waifu pillows they like but that have feewings.

as it stands, Y-P has said that healers dont need to worry about dps, and then proceeds to give away aoe healing and makes it so we dont have much to heal. we are meant to look good in their ever so graciously provided BDSM gear..... and like it.

[Bobby66]

I think that according to Y-P and the target playerbase... that sentence should be reworked to..."they balance the content because healers are being overwhelmed and cant do jack without stress or feeling responsible"

they picture most healers as those waifu pillows they like but that have feewings.

as it stands, Y-P has said that healers dont need to worry about dps, and then proceeds to give away aoe healing and makes it so we dont have much to heal. we are meant to look good in their ever so graciously provided BDSM gear..... and like it.

I mean yeah LOL that is what it does seem like. Which is why the strike confused me at first because I thought most people saw that for whatever reason Yoshi-P thinks the FFXIV community are just dog shit players that cannot handle much of anything. They must be protected from the mean horrible players that have certain standards. SE does not even care enough to update their training hall.

Edit: My boomer self gave up the fight once they changed smn freeing up some design space then gave us a reskin. Instead of doing something as simple as tying different summon to each phase. So have three for Phoenix and three for bahamut. Alas nope. So I hope you guys get everything you want and more. Just some of the logic does not track for me that is why I am here responding. End of the day maybe it does not track because yall have hope, when I have none.

[Kes13a]

I mean yeah LOL that is what it does seem like. Which is why the strike confused me at first because I thought most people saw that for whatever reason Yoshi-P thinks the FFXIV community are just dog shit players that cannot handle much of anything.

no, I think he does get feedback and changes are made based on that. the question is, especially in light of the viper changes, and even the ast card changes.. where any of this supposed feedback comes from. apparently its substantial, but even the JP playerbase seems confused by it. the JP players want to heal, not dps from what I hear, which I agree with. if he was listening to them.. we would have more to heal.. but we dont. if he listened to the NA/EU players, would be more dps focused, and its not. so... who IS he listening to?

[Bobby66]

no, I think he does get feedback and changes are made based on that. the question is, especially in light of the viper changes, and even the ast card changes.. where any of this supposed feedback comes from. apparently its substantial, but even the JP playerbase seems confused by it. the JP players want to heal, not dps from what I hear, which I agree with. if he was listening to them.. we would have more to heal.. but we dont. if he listened to the NA/EU players, would be more dps focused, and its not. so... who IS he listening to?

Yeah Idk I still think he feels we have hard time dressing ourselves in the morning. I am still salty over smn changes lol, and even more so in DT cause I bought into the koolaid the rework would allow for more summons to be added, and instead we got bahamut 2.0 sure it is flashy but it is more of the same.

Maybe it does not help that many of content creators think the healerstrike is a joke so maybe that is who he listens to idk.

[Kes13a]

Yeah Idk I still think he feels we have hard time dressing ourselves in the morning. I am still salty over smn changes lol, and even more so in DT cause I bought into the koolaid the rework would allow for more summons to be added, and instead we got bahamut 2.0 sure it is flashy but it is more of the same.

Maybe it does not help that many of content creators think the healerstrike is a joke so maybe that is who he listens to idk.

better question would be then, do any of them main healer? CBU3 got rid of their one healer designer... so if no CC main healer... I'd say thats a huge problem.