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  1. #8311
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    Azurarok's Avatar
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 100
    As far as my experience goes usually a dungeon pull gets me reaching for casted heals when dps is garbage and the pull doesn't start dying before the tank and I run out of resources.

    This isn't necessarily just the responsibility of the dps also. Tank bursts can hit as hard as dps, and Healer damage output is nothing to sneeze at either, despite the one button spam.

    The spiciest pulls I know of are the first and last section of Mt. Gulg and the second section of Doma Castle, and that's only if we do the full wall to wall. Even those I'm still hitting my aoe for most GCDs though.
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  2. #8312
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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Zodiark
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    Sage Lv 100
    Thinking about it, the reason double-shield wasn't really a thing pre-EW (eg running Noct-AST/SCH), and the reason it's so much more viable now, might simply be how many OGCDs we get to heal with now. Back in, say, HW, you didn't run Noct AST with SCH, because Noct AST had like one OGCD (the bubble, and it sucked) to partywide heal with. With the 'main heal' tools of Succor and Aspected Helios conflicting, and having so few options that weren't those, it was much harder to coordinate healing. Now we can throw out Soil/Kerachole and they stack, the regen from them (why do they have a regen) stacks, the barriers of Haima/Panhaima/Holos/Consolation all stack, the mit from Holos/Expedience/Fey Illumination all stacks. The only thing that doesn't stack is, still, Adlo/Succor and E.Diag/E.Prog.

    Just let them stack SE, give WHM/AST access to shields that also stack, and forget this Pure/Barrier split nonsense. Let any healer comp be valid in Savage. I want to see it equally possible for WHM AST to take the world first, as it is for SCH SGE

    Also, on the topic of RuneScape, both me and a friend have had OSRS open on the side to do stuff in the background while doing EG roulettes. The 2.5s GCD makes it easy to tab out, click something once (eg a rock to start mining) and tab back into FFXIV before the GCD is ready again. Would recommend for any healer who is looking for 'more to do', because clearly FFXIV is not going to provide that 'more to do' alone for the 7.X series
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    Last edited by ForsakenRoe; 08-10-2024 at 01:41 AM.

  3. #8313
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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I wouldn't mind them letting shields stack under a system where you can have one shield buff per Healer...

    Just combine the shield buffs from E. Diagnosis and E. Prognosis into the same effect, let it and Galvanize stack.

    And for balance of it, Regen and A. Benefic heal more damage than either one generally shields for outside of a Crit and for a fraction of the MP cost.
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  4. #8314
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    I wouldn't mind them letting shields stack under a system where you can have one shield buff per Healer...

    Just combine the shield buffs from E. Diagnosis and E. Prognosis into the same effect, let it and Galvanize stack.

    And for balance of it, Regen and A. Benefic heal more damage than either one generally shields for outside of a Crit and for a fraction of the MP cost.
    I'll take the stacking shields, sure...

    ...if those shields, say, decay linearly over 30s and only one can be used against a given hit at a time (the hit preferring whichever shield that could take the highest portion of the hit with least excess shield thereafter), as not to just allow for stacked barriers 30s earlier to completely cheese the distantly upcoming mechanics.

    Or with a big enough bonus to the healing of healers without spammable / frequently usable shields, as you suggested above... assuming also there's actually enough healing to be done for that to be a compensatory advantage instead of mere excess MP and overhealing. Either way.
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  5. #8315
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    Remember_The_Name's Avatar
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    Caroline Frost
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Just let them stack SE, give WHM/AST access to shields that also stack, and forget this Pure/Barrier split nonsense. Let any healer comp be valid in Savage. I want to see it equally possible for WHM AST to take the world first, as it is for SCH SGE
    Return Stoneskin and Protect to White mage (adapted to modern design) and Diurnal sect to Astro, make shields stack with some penalties to avoid cheesing mechanics and let that stupid "healer split" nonsense die. That didn't worked out in Endwalker and definetly not going to work in Dawntrail either.
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  6. #8316
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    Alice_Rivers's Avatar
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    Alice Rivers
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 100
    As a point of curiosity, why is SCH/SGE better for world firsts than AST/SCH? I know SGE does more dps than AST but I would have thought the party buff and damage cards from AST would tip the scales.
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  7. #8317
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    Maltothoris's Avatar
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    Malto Thoris
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    As a point of curiosity, why is SCH/SGE better for world firsts than AST/SCH? I know SGE does more dps than AST but I would have thought the party buff and damage cards from AST would tip the scales.
    It's more so the amount of mitigation that the two have together. Also with these two together, you can get the highest value of out of critlo as well with say combining karsis and protraction together before anything else.\

    Edit: Theoretically, you could keep a permanent 10 percent down with SGE and SCh rotating between Scared Soil and Kerachole if needed, you also have the fact that SGE shields like Haima and Panhamia can stack with sch succor and the like and consolation as well. Then with both having access with holos and expedient as well. And that's off the top of my heal.
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    Last edited by Maltothoris; 08-10-2024 at 08:37 AM.

  8. #8318
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    sharknado's Avatar
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    Sharknado Shortcake
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    Alpha
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    White Mage Lv 100
    From doing 91-100 on WAR and WHM the lack of healers is quite noticeable



    Even saw DPS "in need" for the lvl 100 dungeons... mitigation healers also on strike?
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  9. #8319
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    As a point of curiosity, why is SCH/SGE better for world firsts than AST/SCH? I know SGE does more dps than AST but I would have thought the party buff and damage cards from AST would tip the scales.
    I think this can simply be chalked up to the fact that progging a fight for 18 hours on AST will strain your fingers, so most people opt not to do that because there's other viable alternatives.
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  10. #8320
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    Tigore's Avatar
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    Character
    Tigore Collson
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    Ultros
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    I still mostly see tank as the adventurer in need for Ultros, but I have still been able to cash in on the leveling roulette materia clusters as a healer every time.

    I think some players are attempting to fill the void for my area, but my Savage tank friend mentioned some of them are not quite experienced enough for our 90 - 100 content. I found a healer bot meme for him and he said the bot would be better if it can at least use 1 Holy stun >.>
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