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    Elmind Exilus
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyQueen View Post
    They really need to make healers needed in normal dungeons. The fact that healers have to run savages and ultimates in order to play their role to retarded as F. They need to make it so healing is hard required in normal dungeons. Period.
    It already is, though, if you're running typical content with a typical DF group. That's where a key issue comes in - there is a significant disparity in skill across the massive size of the playerbase. "Normal" content has to be reasonably clearable by the low end of that pool. It's why a variety of increasingly more difficult content is then created on top of that "normal" level, so that players of successively higher skill have progressively harder content to engage with.
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    Flora Kosaki
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    It already is, though, if you're running typical content with a typical DF group. That's where a key issue comes in - there is a significant disparity in skill across the massive size of the playerbase. "Normal" content has to be reasonably clearable by the low end of that pool. It's why a variety of increasingly more difficult content is then created on top of that "normal" level, so that players of successively higher skill have progressively harder content to engage with.
    "Clearable by the low end of the pool." That would be a reasonable argument if a one armed player like me required consistent healing, but I don't, I have cleared content while my healer dpsed the whole way through and didn't get to heal. Your argument hold no water in this instance because I am a bottom of the barrel tank and can still do it healerless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyQueen View Post
    "Clearable by the low end of the pool." That would be a reasonable argument if a one armed player like me required consistent healing, but I don't, I have cleared content while my healer dpsed the whole way through and didn't get to heal. Your argument hold no water in this instance because I am a bottom of the barrel tank and can still do it healerless.
    Hate to say it (actually it's probably a good thing in a way), but if you've cleared content like that, you're nowhere near the actual "bottom of the barrel" in tanking. I could see it appearing that way if you compare yourself to people doing higher-level content, but when it comes to the wider playerbase...you're definitely not at the bottom!
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    Hate to say it (actually it's probably a good thing in a way), but if you've cleared content like that, you're nowhere near the actual "bottom of the barrel" in tanking. I could see it appearing that way if you compare yourself to people doing higher-level content, but when it comes to the wider playerbase...you're definitely not at the bottom!
    so what your saying the entire game has to cater to bottom of the barrel people. everyone else just has to put up with it being dull and boring or.. leave
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    Isala Zuntrios
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    It already is, though, if you're running typical content with a typical DF group. That's where a key issue comes in - there is a significant disparity in skill across the massive size of the playerbase. "Normal" content has to be reasonably clearable by the low end of that pool. It's why a variety of increasingly more difficult content is then created on top of that "normal" level, so that players of successively higher skill have progressively harder content to engage with.
    They're really not. I can count on one hand the amount of groups I've had that didn't clear a dungeon after the healer died. The average DF group is a lot more competent at doing at least the basics than you, and for that matter, SE, realize. Now, I'm not going to say they're necessarily "great" players. Some of them really cannot spell DPS, or find a cooldown to save their ass. But even the most paint eating tank is still capable of living through several mistakes, and bringing the DPS along with them for the ride.
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    Flora Kosaki
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isala View Post
    They're really not. I can count on one hand the amount of groups I've had that didn't clear a dungeon after the healer died. The average DF group is a lot more competent at doing at least the basics than you, and for that matter, SE, realize. Now, I'm not going to say they're necessarily "great" players. Some of them really cannot spell DPS, or find a cooldown to save their ass. But even the most paint eating tank is still capable of living through several mistakes, and bringing the DPS along with them for the ride.
    Isn't it more fun to sniff the paint?
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galvuu View Post
    I'm not claiming the issue highlighted in the post is due to the strike or not, but at the very least, if the healer role is languishing in this dull state, you'd expect the good players to be the best to jump ship.
    Which seems to be what's been happening for a while now.
    Considering that the role becomes more boring as you get better at it, it's kind of obvious that the better players would jump ship eventually.
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    Grainne Gothram
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    I came into EX2 as a WHM cus my fc needed someone to heal and I needed a earrings for my Monk.
    Let it be known I have never taken WHM into any hard content except two extremes in HW.

    I pretty much brainlessly healed through it without even really trying, only time I thought about doing something specifically for healing was moving forward during the platform split to hit the people on the other side with my heals. Yeah this role is really really braindead.
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Seeing a lot more Diagnosis/Prognosis spam from SGEs recently
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Seeing a lot more Diagnosis/Prognosis spam from SGEs recently
    Been leveling my dps via solo queue into DT dungeons as well. Freecure Mage? Check. Adlo Mage? Check. Benefic I Mage? Check. Prognosis Mage? Also check!

    Also guess what, when they died, 7 out of 10 times, we don't even need their presence.
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