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  1. #6141
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeppermintBrown View Post
    So at what point are we supposed to feel the impact of this strike exactly? Early access is over and we're into the 'official' launch and it's still no different than any other expansion launch when it comes to queue times between roles. When can we expect to see the results of this 'strike' in action?
    ? Are the only strikes youre aware of only in reference to ones with drastic /actively visible and immediate outcomes? Plenty of strikes happen with the knoweldge nothing immediately will change, but are still done none the less more with the intent to bring awareness to something.

    Thats what a strike is, to voice a opinion of something from a collection of people who generally have the refusal/reluctance to do something (in this case healing).

    Alot of the "action" in this strike is really "I (this minority of players) will not be playing healers going forward because the job designs of other classes are simply more fun/engaging/better balanced within the trifecta and will play those instead while voicing my disappointment with the current state of healers in the meantime while hoping it improves(or unsub until it does.)"

    Noy trying to be mean but this comment just sounds so.... ????
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    Last edited by GoodPerson; 07-03-2024 at 04:26 PM.

  2. #6142
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    I am new to ffxiv,

    I want to understand if I can send a message to devs for potential improvement is that a thing?
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  3. #6143
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tunda View Post
    I am new to ffxiv,

    I want to understand if I can send a message to devs for potential improvement is that a thing?
    That’s what the forums are for

    We can only communicate directly with game masters for events relating to people breaking TOS
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  4. #6144
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I’m still waiting for literally a single person to offer an alternative

    We knew the strike wouldn’t impact the queues, but now I’ve dumped my healers and am happily maining PCT, if the devs ever decide they need feedback there is a mountain of it on the healer forums already

    We got people talking. There is little else we can do
    Unsub? Stop playing the game? Make it count where its important for Square? They don't care about this post. But what they care is money. If they earn less money because people (healer mains) don't like how their classes play and leave the game, they will see it in their statistics. Their revenue.

    You people in for the "strike" still playing, even when it is other classes, does nothing. You are still paying them money.
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  5. #6145
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shialan View Post
    Unsub? Stop playing the game? Make it count where its important for Square? They don't care about this post. But what they care is money. If they earn less money because people (healer mains) don't like how their classes play and leave the game, they will see it in their statistics. Their revenue.

    You people in for the "strike" still playing, even when it is other classes, does nothing. You are still paying them money.
    2 points

    1) a “feedback” system that amounts to “unsub or your feedback is deemed unnecessary or inconsequential” is a completely broken system and will benefit nobody in the long run

    2) if I unsub now they don’t ask for why I’m leaving the game, how do they know it’s because I’m sick of healers, they don’t track me his a healer main and who isn’t, if I unsub now they could easily pass it off as “oh they didn’t like the DT story” or “guess they are taking a break”. Unsubbing only works to give feedback if they actually ask for feedback when you unsub. In the 14 years I’ve played this game I’ve only been actively subbed for 6 years or so of it, if they look at my internal data they will just assume I’m on a break
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  6. #6146
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shialan View Post
    Unsub? Stop playing the game? Make it count where its important for Square? They don't care about this post. But what they care is money. If they earn less money because people (healer mains) don't like how their classes play and leave the game, they will see it in their statistics. Their revenue.

    You people in for the "strike" still playing, even when it is other classes, does nothing. You are still paying them money.
    Untrue. Its been shown SE does listen to forum feedback(i mean, feedback suggestions literally redirect you to the forums).

    Theyve rolled back certain class changes, and have even implemented buffs over feedback threads less expansive than this.

    So no, their only concern is not exclusively money, because if it was we as subbers would never have gotten the plethora of qol updates as we have been asking for over the years.

    Such as but not limited to, as its atlesst a big one for me, flying in arr zones. And they absolutely did not need to give it to us, its something the playerbase actively voiced and asked for lmao.

    So, shockingly contrary to your argument, talking about stuff , including contributing with uninformed posts like this does infact help a ton! 616 pages going strong
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    Last edited by GoodPerson; 07-03-2024 at 04:44 PM.

  7. #6147
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    Lily D'kryl
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    Having a blast "griefing" Dungeons and Trials by playing as "the worst" tank.
    Apologies to everyone for not being able to solo a boss from 50% to 0% if healer dies. And with everyone playing Picto and/or Viper the chances of actually having an extra rez in a party are pretty slim. =)
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    Sometimes rumors are just... rumors.

  8. #6148
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    Quote Originally Posted by Punslinger View Post
    I'm genuinely fascinated to see how many other ex-healers (and specifically ex-ASTs) switched to DNC. I suspect it's a popular job for a lot of us, because its proc-heavy kit and its emphasis on buffing/support provide the exact sort of reactive and support-oriented play that drew most of us to the healer role in the first place.
    That's exactly it, yeah. The proc-based, semi-random rotation scratches the itch for every fight not being exactly the same, like EW Ast did. It still has plenty of support options and is acceptably high APM with its OGCDs, so I always feel like I have something to do other than press my filler buttons.
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  9. #6149
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    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    That's exactly it, yeah. The proc-based, semi-random rotation scratches the itch for every fight not being exactly the same, like EW Ast did. It still has plenty of support options and is acceptably high APM with its OGCDs, so I always feel like I have something to do other than press my filler buttons.
    EW AST is horrible I don't want to get back to that.. playing that job feels bad
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  10. #6150
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shialan View Post
    Unsub? Stop playing the game? Make it count where its important for Square? They don't care about this post. But what they care is money. If they earn less money because people (healer mains) don't like how their classes play and leave the game, they will see it in their statistics. Their revenue.

    You people in for the "strike" still playing, even when it is other classes, does nothing. You are still paying them money.
    Again, this is only if we want to hit back at the company and the investors, but we don't. The main company and the investors aren't designing the game.

    We want the attention of the development team, and the best way to get that attention is to hit their metrics, something you can do more effectively when you're subbed to the game.

    I really don't see what's so hard to understand about that.
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