#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Wildheaven182]

And has Squex disabled the forums now? No. Is this conversation being seen in the japanese or french thread, No. After the 100's of pages seen here, has Square went the exact opposite direction in Dawn Trail, yes. Also, I have never said that everything is the way most people want it. You're attempting to put words into a statement instead of acknowledging what's actually being said.

Alright so first: "Instead, we see the opposite with even more damage migitation given to tanks. This clearly gives the impression that there is more feedback being given that tanks are too squishy and need more self protection."
And then: "Also, I have never said that everything is the way most people want it."

First you say there must be more feedback that supports Dawntrail changes than opposes it. This implies the status quo is more popular and therefore is the way the game is.
Then you say the opposite when I give an example of the popular opinion being ignored in the past.

Alright yes, you did not say explicitly, but it is what is clearly implied by what you said. Apologies.

"And has Squex disabled the forums now? No. Is this conversation being seen in the japanese or french thread, No."
I suppose you have a point. They should wait until this conversation is also in other languages and gets so bad that they have to shut down the forums to prevent people from criticizing their perfect game. That worked great last time they ignored feedback under any other circumstance than the actual shut down of the game.

[Kira619]

Alright so first: "Instead, we see the opposite with even more damage migitation given to tanks. This clearly gives the impression that there is more feedback being given that tanks are too squishy and need more self protection."
And then: "Also, I have never said that everything is the way most people want it."

First you say there must be more feedback that supports Dawntrail changes than opposes it. This implies the status quo is more popular and therefore is the way the game is.
Then you say the opposite when I give an example of the popular opinion being ignored in the past.

Alright yes, you did not say explicitly, but it is what is clearly implied by what you said. Apologies.

No it's not what's clearly applied, that is what you're projecting because you disagree with my statements. If I believe everything is the way most people want it, I would say it. But I didn't, because I surely don't believe nor do I know that "everything" is the way most people want it.
The key term, is everything. Hence why I said, stick to what's actually be said, aka the specifics. So sticking to the specifics, do I believe that more people view that tanks are more squishy, hence the addition to tank migration in comparison to the opposite viewpoint here? Yes, that is what I do believe.

"And has Squex disabled the forums now? No. Is this conversation being seen in the japanese or french thread, No."
I suppose you have a point. They should wait until this conversation is also in other languages and gets so bad that they have to shut down the forums to prevent people from criticizing their perfect game. That worked great last time they ignored feedback under any other circumstance than the actual shut down of the game.

Oh yes, Square should certainly focus on this subset group of forum posters in one particular demographic over the majority of players from multiple different regions. That would go across fantastic...

I work in IT. The fact that they shutdown the forums indicates that all the regions were providing massive amount of negative feedback. Not just English speakers, and not just a couple of threads. The fact that they haven't even shut down the english section (which they could if it was a massive as some people say), let alone the forums as a whole, says something.

[Turtledeluxe]

I love how for tanks it's "too squishy" but for healers it's "bad players". Very nice double standard.

It's just not possible tanks are in the state they are in cos many of them suck huh? Nah that can't be why some are basically immortal.

[Wildheaven182]

No it's not what's clearly applied, that is what you're projecting because you disagree with my statements. If I believe everything is the way most people want it, I would say it. But I didn't, because I surely don't believe nor do I know that "everything" is the way most people want it.
The key term, is everything. Hence why I said, stick to what's actually be said, aka the specifics. So sticking to the specifics, do I believe that more people view that tanks are more squishy, hence the addition to tank migration in comparison to the opposite viewpoint here? Yes, that is what I do believe.



Oh yes, Square should certainly focus on this subset group of forum posters in one particular demographic over the majority of players from multiple different regions. That would go across fantastic...

I work in IT. The fact that they shutdown the forums indicates that all the regions were providing massive amount of negative feedback. Not just English speakers, and not just a couple of threads. The fact that they haven't even shut down the english section (which they could if it was a massive as some people say), let alone the forums as a whole, says something.

Alright then, how many threads and forums are there in each region about people complaining that tanks are too squishy? Healers have been complaining for 3 expansions and this protest thread is over 500 pages in two weeks.
We can also say forums only reflect the vocal minority and not necessarily popular opinion. That is true, but that doesn't mean those who are vocal never reflect popular opinion.
Alright then, when healers complain for over 6 years, culminating in a protest thread over 500 pages long in two weeks gaining attention from content creators, influencers and gaming news outlets, it doesn't reflect a popular opinion.
But I suppose when there are no comparable complaints about tanks on any platform, tanks being too squishy is the popular opinion based on... I suppose the holy decree of square enix, or assumption based on nothing. You tell me.
I'll apply this reasoning and say that many in other regions feel the same but just aren't vocal about it.

[Kira619]

Alright then, how many threads and forums are there in each region about people complaining that tanks are too squishy? Healers have been complaining for 3 expansions and this protest thread is over 500 pages in two weeks.
We can also say forums only reflect the vocal minority and not necessarily popular opinion. That is true, but that doesn't mean those who are vocal never reflect popular opinion.
Alright then, when healers complain for over 6 years, culminating in a protest thread over 500 pages long in two weeks gaining attention from content creators, influencers and gaming news outlets, it doesn't reflect a popular opinion.
But I suppose when there are no comparable complaints about tanks on any platform, tanks being too squishy is the popular opinion based on... I suppose the holy decree of square enix, or assumption based on nothing. You tell me.
I'll apply this reasoning and say that many in other regions feel the same but just aren't vocal about it.

And you know that there have been no threads anywhere providing feedback about tanks being squishy how? Or that's right, you somehow came across every single final fantasy forum, gaming news outlet, in every single language across the planet. But surely other regions are feeling the same thing because they HAVE to align with your mindset. How dare other regions possibly have a different viewpoint then your own.

[Supersnow845]

I love how for tanks it's "too squishy" but for healers it's "bad players". Very nice double standard.

It's just not possible tanks are in the state they are in cos many of them suck huh? Nah that can't be why some are basically immortal.

When tanks are bad they get buffed into immortality

When healers are bad they get nerfed into irrelevancy

Definitely no double standards here

[Flay_wind]

The key term, is everything. Hence why I said, stick to what's actually be said, aka the specifics. So sticking to the specifics, do I believe that more people view that tanks are more squishy, hence the addition to tank migration in comparison to the opposite viewpoint here? Yes, that is what I do believe.

Are we playing the same game? In what way tanks are too squishy?

Also if you want an example of a truly squishy tank, try BLU Tank, base caster HP, while also at the same time missing the whole weapon worth of VIT. And while they do have 20% max HP upkeep buff, it's still calculated from that same caster HP minus weapon worth of VIT.

[aiqa]

I disagree. Having a gameplay loop of optimizing your healing is even more important on healers. DPS and tank jobs, though already pretty braindead, already have a core gameplay loop.

If healing is just super free where is the depth of the healer role?

Damage trade off on heals from specifically healers, without first enforcing that on all heals from other roles, will make it even more difficult to have content of various difficulty levels where bringing a healer is optimal. And since most good players will want to contribute to running content optimally, will push healers even more into a green dps role.

Healers feeling like they are not part of the optimal way to play the game, and healers not being rewarded for healing, are big reasons for this strike. Any big changes to healers should also improve those aspects, or at least not make them worse.

[xbahax92]

What a bummer... I was excited for the double dot on SGE. Was hoping for a return of this "difficulty" layer.
It's really hard to understand the Dev team. Their visions seem so different from the players and obviously it will be always like this. Yet, we have no idea what they're discussing and who is against certain changes. It's also like "the concept sounds good on paper", but it is barely fun to play.
This reminds me a lot of Eureka release. They had the genius idea, that we had to chain trash monsters 200x to gain single digit clusters. The FATE trains started, cause players couldnt be bothered by this idea.

[Ramiee]

If the Devs really want healers to be heal bots they need to remove all healing from DPS and nerf burst heals on healers. You cant expect a class to do one thing when that one thing can be done with a single oGCD. Even in old MMOs from the 2000s with healbot class your heals were nowhere near as strong as a single oGCD heal in XIV. The hilarity of them wanting to make healers only heal but not adding depth or complication to healing is so funny.