#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[fawnshy]

Just popping in to boost the thread, for what little good it does. I love support roles, but I don't love being bored to tears unless I'm healing a party with woefully under-geared tanks and/or DPS. We really do deserve better than a "rotation" appealing to the lowest common denominator - and I do mean the lowest common denominator. Some of us enjoy using our brains, even if only occasionally.

[Flay_wind]

This healer strike is pretty much dead with everyone starting to unite against you few folks.

Who is "everyone" you are talking about?

[GartredZW]

#stillgonnahealanyways.

Not if the tank heals himself first.

[Kathryn]

Who is "everyone" you are talking about?

You have a thread with only 331 likes at this time from a game that has millions of customers/accounts, just saying.

Also wow I didn't think this thread could devolve further with the personal attacks on eachother, great job, keep it up a mod might lock it soon.

SGE almost 90, and been healing on my SCH last few nights, been pretty cool and people actually take more damage than you guys are giving credit for I also utilized a majority of my toolkit and was thanked by the party for managing to keep them all alive through many mistakes made.

[Fawkes]

I think that the compounding effects of that have been a slow downward-spiral ever since, and at this point, I'm not exactly sure how it can be effectively-resolved without either keeping one portion of Healers perpetually-disappointed, provoking the other portion of Healers that like it this way, or refactoring the entire combat system to an extent that I don't think CBU3 has either the resources or the appetite to engage in.

I kinda feel like if they had just given every healer a new DoT that wasn't locked behind a 2 minute cooldown we never would have gotten this thread. Maybe make it an AoE for WHM and AST but give SCH another single target and Bane. People would've at least had something to be happy about.

[Supersnow845]

I kinda feel like if they had just given every healer a new DoT that wasn't locked behind a 2 minute cooldown we never would have gotten this thread. Maybe make it an AoE for WHM and AST but give SCH another single target and Bane. People would've at least had something to be happy about.

This is kinda the biggest reason why I don’t understand why so many people so strongly oppose us. We aren’t asking for the world, hell you could return old fluid aura (without the knock back) and aero 3 for WHM and that would literally be plenty

We are asking for such a minimal baseline improvement and people still feel the need to oppose us so strongly

Would any other role tolerate what amounts to potency upgrades on their 1-2-3 for the last 3 expansions

[Windfire]

I'm not going to read through almost 400 pages but the bits I've read here & there just looks like people wanting to dps with healer privileges i.e short queues, if you want to dps make one and deal with the longer queue like everyone else. As someone who generally likes healing, I DON'T want more dps buttons I want to-you know, ACUTALLY HEAL, whether that means making damage go out more often or things hit harder or some combination of the two, I really don't care. As for cleansing debuffs, I would actually be ok with then not adding more because of how many times I and others die through no fault of our own because the "I'm a green dps" can't be bothered to esuna cleansable doom (or heal to full), on that note they should go back and just make doom some baseline rather then "step on this/esuna OR heal to full, it's annoying that it has three different criteria.

[Supersnow845]

I'm not going to read through almost 400 pages but the bits I've read here & there just looks like people wanting to dps with healer privileges i.e short queues, if you want to dps make one and deal with the longer queue like everyone else. As someone who generally likes healing, I DON'T want more dps buttons I want to-you know, ACUTALLY HEAL, whether that means making damage go out more often or things hit harder or some combination of the two, I really don't care. As for cleansing debuffs, I would actually be ok with then not adding more because of how many times I and others die through no fault of our own because the "I'm a green dps" can't be bothered to esuna cleansable doom (or heal to full), on that note they should go back and just make doom some baseline rather then "step on this/esuna OR heal to full, it's annoying that it has three different criteria.

“I’m not going to read 400 pages but let me provide my opinion based on an entirely wrong premise”

We want to heal as well. I physically don’t know how many times I can tell people that. I also understand that the nature of the combat design and the slow GCD means I’m going to have a lot of enforced downtime, in that time I want something to do that’s not press 111111111111. It’s not that hard to have both, we literally had it before ShB

[Eorzean_username]

You have a thread with only 331 likes at this time from a game that has millions of customers/accounts, just saying.

Stats isn't my career, but isn't it mathematically-disingenuous to compare Forum Likes to total registered Accounts, rather than comparing Likes on one Thread to the average Likes of other Threads, including Threads that can be considered "popular", and then trying to extrapolate population data from there?

Notwithstanding issues that you're not factoring-in. I mean questions like:

• "If someone agrees with the complaints, is that person willing to actually register for the Forums just to Like a Thread? Many people are more passive than that."
• "If someone agrees with the complaints, but has already Unsubscribed in the past, and therefore doesn't have Forum access, does that mean their agreement shouldn't be considered in future design decisions? Remember that SE is a business first and foremost. If they can gain some indication of why some portion of paying customers stopped paying, then they would probably want to know that."
• "Is the common Internet phenomenon of a small number of people antagonistically-brigading discussion locations for issues that they feel provoked-by at play here? Can we determine, in any meaningful way, how much 'hostility' here is reflective of the wider playerbase? And do we know if that hostility is due to an actual understanding of the issues being discussed and protested-over, or simply due to whatever distorted narratives are being spread by those who feel threatened by the discussion, or that simply want to mock something just to mock it?"

I don't think it's as simple a formula as:
331 / [Total Number of Registered Accounts] = % of Support

If it were, I don't think that a single statement posted to any FFXIV social media, anywhere, would ever have been acted upon, but we have large amounts of evidence contradicting that idea.

I kinda feel like if they had just given every healer a new DoT that wasn't locked behind a 2 minute cooldown we never would have gotten this thread. Maybe make it an AoE for WHM and AST but give SCH another single target and Bane. People would've at least had something to be happy about.

To a degree, you may be correct.

I think that the "I just want to Heal" side of Healers would still have been provoked by seeing that nothing was changed about Non-Healer Sustain, nothing seems meaningfully-changed about content Healing pressure, and there was no promising sign that Healer would actually be using Healing buttons actively and regularly, rather than just spamming Glare and OGCDs for another 2.5 years.

However, CBU3 might have successfully "divided and conquered" the Media Tour feedback by shaving-off support from more aggressive Healers who would consider extra, rotationally-regular Damage additions to be "listening", and willing to wait and see what would come next.

To be a bit melodramatic in the phrasing, I would say that CBU3's "fatal mistake" here was probably that the 7.0 previews managed to simultaneously disappoint and make-feel unheard both sides of the Healer spectrum simultaneously, causing many of the more invested Healers to stop fighting each other over their preferred Healing design direction, and instead unite-together in a single voice of dissatisfaction over, just... (gestures all over) everything.

I could do without the attitude. The lack of basic human decency when trying to enter into another groups space continues to blow my fing mind every single time. Drink a glass of water, go back out the door, then come back in with a better attitude before you respond, please.

I understand the frustration, but at the same time, this is, effectively, a semi-public space where every thread is open to everyone with a subscription. If someone wants to flounce in here and be a belligerent knob, it's entirely within their rights (up to a certain limit based on wherever the phantom moderators draw their lines).

It's just, that also means that it's within everyone else's rights to push right back on that behaviour... insofar as anyone has "rights" when milling-around on a company's technically-private property.

Most of the pages are genuine nonsense and bickering, quantity does not equal quality and it's pretty evident in this thread.

Also Thank you, im quite enjoying my time with healer and I will be leveling one alongside a dps class come DT.

First of all, not really, if you actually read through most of the Posts instead of making sensational appeals, it's mostly just people actually talking about Healing, often in ways that might even be considered dry and technical.

Second of all, when it does devolve, it's usually because random people decide to show up and contribute something pointless and non-constructive which nudges the thread off-course, such as:

Most of the pages are genuine nonsense and bickering, quantity does not equal quality and it's pretty evident in this thread.

Also Thank you, im quite enjoying my time with healer and I will be leveling one alongside a dps class come DT.

[Flay_wind]

You have a thread with only 331 likes at this time from a game that has millions of customers/accounts, just saying.

SGE almost 90, and been healing on my SCH last few nights, been pretty cool and people actually take more damage than you guys are giving credit for I also utilized a majority of my toolkit and was thanked by the party for managing to keep them all alive through many mistakes made.

But we somehow have a thread that's 393 pages long, which has been created just 10 days ago.

Genuinely happy for you.
I went back to DRK/NIN/RDM.