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    Player CerusSerenade's Avatar
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    Phelsarn Lumerais
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNublet View Post
    1T 3D might clear a dungeon in 15 minutes.
    1T 2D 1H might clear a dungeon in 20 minutes.
    3D 1H might clear a dungeon in 30 minutes.

    It's not that it isn't impossible to clear it with out a certain role, it is that it is more efficient to clear it with 1T 3D.
    Given the time of the video that's clearly not the case, as 1 healer 2 DPS cleared 1/3 of the dungeon in 7 minutes. A third dps would have clearly cut that down to the 15 minute mark you were talking about.

    That healers have a very simplified kit for dealing damage is a valid complaint, but that dungeons can be completed without a healer is overblown, as dungeons can also be completed without a tank.
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    MisterNublet's Avatar
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    Autechre Voidmoon
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by CerusSerenade View Post
    Given the time of the video that's clearly not the case, as 1 healer 2 DPS cleared 1/3 of the dungeon in 7 minutes. A third dps would have clearly cut that down to the 15 minute mark you were talking about.

    That healers have a very simplified kit for dealing damage is a valid complaint, but that dungeons can be completed without a healer is overblown, as dungeons can also be completed without a tank.
    They had already defeated the first boss and were clearing trash packs towards the second boss. It took them two and a half minutes to clear the second pack of mobs even with the Dark Knight dpsing the first group before dying to the lack of heals. At the 6 minute mark they only pulled one group, and at the 7 minute mark they ended up single target pulling making it easy to heal through both. That is slow.

    as dungeons can also be completed without a tank.
    Right, I said that. It just wont be very fast. I would know, I've done it multiple times.
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    MJT2k9's Avatar
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    Wraith Gull
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    Conjurer Lv 54

    Agree

    I support making encounters across all grouped content just somewhat interesting for the healer role. Add some DoTs to dungeon enemies, tbh I wish they had something akin to M+ from WoW.


    Just a version of 4 player dungeons that makes each role sweat a little.

    Then at your floor level, an average healer would be someone who keeps the group alive and you complete content, but a great healer could have a ceiling of optimizing dps + healing since you'd be doing a blend of both instead of like 99% mashing Glare or Holy and falling asleep.
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