#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[WaxSw]

Excuse me, but I'm not "lying." I'm just stating what I've seen and experienced. I've been with this thread and on this topic for ages, too. There's no need to be rude to me.

You say Xeno is against that, he outright talked about how the dps rotation should be changed
You say the hardcore community is against that, as someone that could be considered kinda hardcore I'm yet to find a healer main that does not support having our rotation changed
You say most people ingame are against that but when we get any community poll healers are the ones with the least satisfaction (and the majority would be indifferent)
You say the XIV discords, idk which because I've seen support on many as is well know that healer gameplay is shit
You say the XIV reddit, I've yet to find other than ffxiv which is known to be very adverse to even the slightest XIV criticism (and in some more serious like XIV discussion there is quite the dicussion and support behind it)

Almost all the streamers that were tone deaf were non healer mains which, to the surprise of nobody, don't talk shit because their income depends on being on SE and the toxic positive XIV community good side.

Once again this is a not us vs them, this is a collective of healers who are tired of our gameplay being the same of cookie clicker, especially when in the past we used to have much better gameplay and were able to do our duties as fine, if not better

[ZephyrMenodora]

You say Xeno is against that, he outright talked about the dps rotation should be changed
You say the hardcore community is against that, as someone that could be considered kinda hardcore I'm yet to find a healer main that does not support having our rotation changing
You say most people ingame are against that but when we get any community poll healers are the ones with the least satisfaction (and the majority would be indifferent)
You say the XIV discords, idk which because I've seen support on many as is well know that healer gameplay is shit
You say the XIV reddit, I've yet to find other than ffxiv which is known to be very adverse to even the slightest XIV criticism (and in some more serious like XIV discussion there is quite the dicussion and support behind it)

Almost all the streamers that were tone deaf were non healer mains which, to the surprise of nobody, don't talk shit because their income depends on being on SE and the toxic positive XIV community good side.

Once again this is a not us vs them, this is a collective of healers who are tired of our gameplay being the same of cookie clicker, especially when in the past we used to have much better gameplay and were able to do our duties as fine, if not better

My experience was mostly on twitter, where I saw quite a few posts adverse to the strike. Some of them were rather rude about it, too.

I think the main issue with the strike itself is, from what I saw on Twitter was:

1. There are a lot of super-casual players who mostly enjoy socializing/modding their characters/glamor, who honestly don't want any increased difficulty or pressure on healers or the gameplay in general;
2. There are some newer players who actually find the game challenging because it's all new to them;
3. Most people aren't healer mains and don't want to be inconvenienced by the strike;
4. Some healer mains don't like playing the other jobs, like healing enough even if it's a bit dull, so will keep healing because that's why they play;
5. In-game awareness from people who don't visit XIV social media have no knowledge of the strike, or care enough about the game to do so.

So I think those are core issues with the strike. But, as an awareness-raising tool it's been an A+ effort. I'd have a hard time believing that the Dev's are unaware of this thread at this point.

[AuraflareRising]

If it makes you feel better, I do not plan on blacklisting anyone participating in this strike even though I do not agree with some of the points made. You all are allowed to have your opinions and thoughts, that's free will.

That said, to expect the whole player base to agree with you is a bit of a reach, as with such a large player base there will be a variety of opinions. I have stated my thoughts, and I attempted to do so without hostility, so please keep that in mind that not everyone that disagrees with the strike will be out for blood. I do feel that all tanks should have some form of sustain or self healing as it does help a lot in content, and was thrilled when pld (my main) got it in Endwalker. I do agree that war has a little too much, but pld is in a good spot, and gnb/drk needs to have the same amount of sustain or a little less to help them be more efficient. But that's my opinion, and I do not expect everyone to follow it. So expecting me, a pld main, to want to give up being able to save a run if the healer bites it is a little disheartening.

Yes, healers do need some extra love thrown at them as far as their kit goes, but again it goes to one of my previous comments, "Be careful what you wish for", some of the things asked for in this strike, if granted, may make some content unplayable for the very casual players. At the end of the day, if the very casual people have a super hard time clearing content, or new players even, then it may result in the player base decreasing. Yes all players should learn how to use their kit, but everyone has a different learning speed, or in some cases hampered by disabilites. We are only as strong as the lowest among us, and some of these requests of the devs may make it extremely difficult for them to shine or want to play.

Mindfulness of the full situation, the full player base is important here. We were all sprouts once.

[UnconfirmedCat]

That said, to expect the whole player base to agree with you is a bit of a reach, as with such a large player base there will be a variety of opinions.

Are these people who expect the whole playerbase to agree in the room right now? Even from the initial thread post:

I would like to make this the official thread for those in support of a healer strike as a collective voice to the dev team to express the dissatisfaction with the continued direction the game has gone concerning healer gameplay and what is an arrived consensus that has deemed to be a negligence towards the role, as well as the players who main it.

Emphasis mine. I guess there is the word consensus in there, which some people may misinterpret as *every single person* agrees or argue it is overstating the viewpoint (despite how incredibly popular this thread has become not just on the forums but outside of it as well), but I don't see anyone posting in a way where they want to compel people to participate or agree in seriousness. I also don't put much value in semantic arguments either. While you sound like you're very reasonable, I'm just very confused on where you actually are getting these impressions from?

[Len_]

At this point, the situation is like:

Striking people on this thread, Zepla to some extent

vs.

Almost all the other FFXIV streamers, hardcore players, most of the Japanese community, most players in-game (who are totally unaware of this or anything else that happens on the forums), WeskAlber and Xenosys and other content creators who think this is all stupid, the FFXIV subreddit, the FFXIV discord communities (besides the discord created for this thread) . . .


I feel like this thread would have a greater impact (besides being a source of entertainment for people not on the forums) if the thread's creators and supporters reached out beyond the forums and talked about their concerns with other FFXIV media and in other FFXIV communities. Or if they would produce content of their own on YouTube, etc. Right now this thread is attracting attention, but in a negative sense. I mean, people were even talking about blacklisting everyone they saw taking part in this thread / the strike.

That's really not "the situation." The issues with healer are known and have been talked about for years and years and years. The devs will either change something or they won't. While healers suck, people who don't enjoy them will not play them anymore. And we will chat about it in this thread. That's it. People elsewhere talking shit don't matter at all.

[Kaliesto]

What if we removed 1 healer of the traditional 2 healer party makeup? Basically replace one healer slot with a DPS?

The sole Healer gets more responsibilities, have their healing and DPS re-adjusted to make up for the loss of the 2nd healer, and their HP and MP Pools adjusted as well.

[ZephyrMenodora]

What if we removed 1 healer of the traditional 2 healer party makeup? Basically replace one healer slot with a DPS?

The sole Healer gets more responsibilities, have their healing and DPS re-adjusted to make up for the loss of the 2nd healer, and their HP and MP Pools adjusted as well.

I'd personally miss healer team dynamics, and working with another healer to handle what healing is needed. I also enjoy having a pure heal and shield healer team. Most of the time though the other healer just lets me heal everything myself - which i'm okay with lol.

[Connor]

What if we removed 1 healer of the traditional 2 healer party makeup? Basically replace one healer slot with a DPS?

The sole Healer gets more responsibilities, have their healing and DPS re-adjusted to make up for the loss of the 2nd healer, and their HP and MP Pools adjusted as well.

I think many would argue that this puts too much pressure on the remaining healer, but at the same time I wonder how true that would be given that both tanks and DPS are getting stronger party mitigation and aoe healing in Dawntrail.

Like if the healer was truly alone then of course it’d be too much responsibility for a single person. But when you factor in the ways tanks can defensively support and heal the party, DPS having AoE heals and their own emergency heal with Second Wind, I’m not so sure just having one healer would be the same as ‘putting the whole responsibility of healing on a single player’.

Naturally though that would just cause a ‘counter-issue’ to arise where Tank/DPS have some responsibility to assist with healing depending on the circumstances, which I’m not sure many would enjoy