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  1. #8421
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    Is this another "but if we make the poor healers press their damage buttons, they won't be able to focus on healing" thing?
    yeah, we wouldnt be able to focus on something we barely do already. oh.. the stress.

    it would also apparently mean the majority represented by one particular person would be prevented from healing. (not quite sure how, but I am sure they could explain it)
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  2. #8422
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    yeah, we wouldnt be able to focus on something we barely do already. oh.. the stress.

    it would also apparently mean the majority represented by one particular person would be prevented from healing. (not quite sure how, but I am sure they could explain it)
    Honestly, I hate the stress argument with a passion because I struggle with anxiety a lot and sometimes it seems that people like me are being used as a cudgel against those who want the game to be even the slightest bit more challenging or engaging. I can't see myself ever stepping into Ultimate because even the idea itself scares me, but that doesn't mean I want it to be taken away from the people who enjoy it. I'm just happily doing the midcore content that I can handle, mostly with the support of friends, and cheering on the people who can handle more difficult stuff.

    Maybe this is the MMO healer vet in me talking, but there is a type of healer stress that I find really enjoyable. It's those situations where I'm having to go into triage mode and think about every choice I make. Successfully dragging the party over the finish line in times like these feels INCREDIBLE. It rewards me for not panicking, which I think is a good way to teach my overly anxious brain that it doesn't have to be afraid of everything all the time. Unfortunately, FFXIV doesn't offer me this experience unless things have gone horribly wrong in a pull or my party is straight up bad.
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    Last edited by PercibelTheren; 08-12-2024 at 12:01 PM.

  3. #8423
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    Here again with "DPS!DPS!DPS!"

    First they need to fix the healing and support/buff of healer.
    This the more pressing issue of the role.... In fact no, it's the more pressing issue of the game right now.
    Because, i do't know if you realized but : Tanks are just clearly OP and almost immortal, and some DPS almost have a freaking Self-Sustain.

    But no, people need to advocate for DPS first.... Like it will make healer relevant again... Which it will not.

    DPS can come later, when, at last, healers will retrieve their place : Healing and Buffing. Then they can give back or had DPS skills again.
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  4. #8424
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    There's a lot they need to fix to make healers relevant, they can and should fix all of them at once, there's no need for a 'More healing OR better damage kit' stance, it's not mutually exclusive, neither is more important than the other.

    The healer kit needs to evolve as a whole, not move one part forward and leave the others in the dust.
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  5. #8425
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    There's a lot they need to fix to make healers relevant, they can and should fix all of them at once, there's no need for a 'More healing OR better damage kit' stance, it's not mutually exclusive, neither is more important than the other.

    The healer kit needs to evolve as a whole, not move one part forward and leave the others in the dust.
    I said it : DPS kit can come later.

    Because, seriously, do you see SE being capable to fix thoses 2 things at the same time right now?
    Me... No.
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  6. #8426
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    I said it : DPS kit can come later.

    Because, seriously, do you see SE being capable to fix thoses 2 things at the same time right now?
    Me... No.
    Are they capable? Likely not.

    Should they? Yes.

    So I'm going to continue pushing for them to fix all of it. It's been 6 years of nothing, half-measures won't placate people.
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  7. #8427
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Are they capable? Likely not.

    Should they? Yes.

    So I'm going to continue pushing for them to fix all of it. It's been 6 years of nothing, half-measures won't placate people.
    Do you do it on purpose? XD

    I didn't say they shouldn't fix everythings, i'm saying that right now they can't handle more than one things at the time.
    And right now the more pressing issue it's not the DPS kit, but the fact that we have almost nothing to heal and that our healing kit is just here for show.
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  8. #8428
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    Do you do it on purpose? XD

    I didn't say they shouldn't fix everythings, i'm saying that right now they can't handle more than one things at the time.
    And right now the more pressing issue it's not the DPS kit, but the fact that we have almost nothing to heal and that our healing kit is just here for show.
    Doing what on purpose? We simply have a difference of opinion.

    You think it's fine for them to fix one issue at a time, and you trust that they will do so because you don't think they can handle both at once.

    I think that they should put the effort into fixing both at once because it has been 6 years of healers being broken and a one-by-one fix is unacceptable at this point.

    We're not disagreeing on the end goal, just on the method to get there.
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  9. #8429
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Personally I'd like to have a better experience everywhere else in the game too, so I honestly prefer more dps tools over getting healing requirements properly balanced, if I could choose.

    As long as dps is king we'll try to replace supports with dps jobs when it becomes viable for farming, and since healing needs are the first things to get easier as item levels go up and healers have lower dps than tanks, it'll always be the first role to be on the chopping block.
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  10. #8430
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Doing what on purpose? We simply have a difference of opinion.

    You think it's fine for them to fix one issue at a time, and you trust that they will do so because you don't think they can handle both at once.

    I think that they should put the effort into fixing both at once because it has been 6 years of healers being broken and a one-by-one fix is unacceptable at this point.

    We're not disagreeing on the end goal, just on the method to get there.
    I do agree that we disagree on the "journey" because : look at the state of the jobs right now.
    Tanks are getting more OP has each patch. Some DPS have group heal, recovery boost and mit buff.... The healling is a total mess.

    Fixing heal doesn't just include Healer, but a lot of jobs. it's a factory they need to dismantle and rebuild....

    When for the DPS kit, for WHM and SCH they could just re-introduce old skills (which i doubt for SCH since it's really look like they don't want DoT anymore), for AST i don't know, never played it until EW, and they will need to buff up SGE kit.

    This is why, DPS kits can wait until they at last fixed Healing. it's the most "easy" part to do.... but if they do it first, well.... You can kiss goodbye to healer role as a whole.
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