#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[AmiableApkallu]

The problem I imagine is that the "optional ceiling" ceases to be optional when encounter design necessitates that you can't get away with just being flashy and breezy. Dawntrail for example upped the ante on what the typical normal-content-only player had to do in order to advance and it wasn't met well by some of them.

The "optional ceiling" here has little to nothing to do with Dawntrail's perceived increase in difficulty. There aren't any DPS checks. There aren't any healing checks. I'm 100% certain I dropped multiple GCDs in a row, interrupted multiple casts, etc., etc., the first (and second, and third...) time I cleared Dawntrail's dungeons and trials.

Dawntrail's MSQ didn't ask you (the generic "you") to play your job better. It asked you to become more observant with respect to the tells for incoming attacks and to dodge them.

[Iedarus]

I do thank this game for making me appreciate my main game, Gw2 more for being significantly more innovative if still janky and frustrating at times. Even if all the classes can basically be any role, now (which I don't mind since we can't swap classes), they are infinitely more exciting to play due to the fast paced combat. Even healer builds give me that long craved dopamine hit after coming back to it. Don't even get me started on the leagues better race design, fashion and revolutionary mount system.

[Azurarok]

Wasn't that a little bit what Hydaelyn EX's add phase was? DPS needing to breaking crystals while tanks kite adds and healers keep the tanks alive.

Guess they could've put in some raidwides during that but iirc the adds hit pretty hard as it was. Then ILs went up and we eventually got solo tank/healer runs going

[Rolder50]

Gettin pretty close to 1000 pages innit. And healers only get worse.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Gettin pretty close to 1000 pages innit. And healers only get worse.

986 pages and 9857 posts. At this point, it is clear Creative Studio III is going out of its way to ignore us. There is no way the forum moderators would not mentioned this thread to someone.

[Aravell]

986 pages and 9857 posts. At this point, it is clear Creative Studio III is going out of its way to ignore us. There is no way the forum moderators would not mentioned this thread to someone.

I feel like the fact that the playerbase happily blames other parts of the community for any faults they see with the game means that SE can eternally hide behind their shield of "Players don't know what they want and can't agree on anything, that's why we can't change anything!".

I think if we're capable of presenting a united front of "We want changes for this thing because it's just badly designed, we don't care about the details, just change it", that would be much harder to ignore.

Unfortunately, trying to get the community to present a united front is effectively impossible (because people understandably put importance on different things, like some people want everything just balanced with 0% deviation with no regard to fun), so we're unlikely to see any changes until the dev team does their experiment in 8.0.

[Kes13a]

Unfortunately, trying to get the community to present a united front is effectively impossible (because people understandably put importance on different things, like some people want everything just balanced with 0% deviation with no regard to fun), so we're unlikely to see any changes until the dev team does their experiment in 8.0.

I doubt the "8.0 experiment" will be all that much of a change. whether or not we all agree on the same thing, as consumers of the game, the fact that a single thread has gotten this large with zero acknowledgement from SE tells me they are in their ivory tower, healing in their mind is perfect and needs no changes. thats fine, they are entitled to think that, and once I feel thy no longer earn my money, I will stop giving it to them. I have left far bigger games than 14, and never looked back.

[Kacho_Nacho]

I feel like the fact that the player base happily blames other parts of the community for any faults they see with the game means that SE can eternally hide behind their shield of "Players don't know what they want and can't agree on anything, that's why we can't change anything!"

Hey! I apologized!

/em sticks out tongue

I think if we're capable of presenting a united front of "We want changes for this thing because it's just badly designed, we don't care about the details, just change it", that would be much harder to ignore.

Unfortunately, trying to get the community to present a united front is effectively impossible (because people understandably put importance on different things, like some people want everything just balanced with 0% deviation with no regard to fun), so we're unlikely to see any changes until the dev team does their experiment in 8.0.

Yeah, trying to herd healers is like herding cats. We're a chaotic good bunch.

But, I feel, collectively, the healer community has done pretty well in conveying how unhappy we are with the current state of our jobs and roles in this expansion.

Yes, there have been trolls, some of them quite determined to derail our movement. But, if the mods ever got around to deleting those posts, you'd see we've been pretty united.

Yoshi has said there won't be any real changes until 8.0. So, I wasn't expecting a mid expansion overhaul of the white mage, scholar, astrologian, and sage jobs.

But, it would still be nice to have #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE acknowledged. Even a statement along the lines of "We've heard you and your concerns will be taken into account when we make changes to the jobs in the next expansion," would somewhat allay our fears healers will remain in their current state or worse.

[Lorika]

But, it would still be nice to have #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE acknowledged. Even a statement along the lines of "We've heard you and your concerns will be taken into account when we make changes to the jobs in the next expansion," would somewhat allay our fears healers will remain in their current state or worse.

This is the thing : they won't aknowledge the healer state because, it would be the same as aknowledging that their beloved tank and some of their beloverd DPS are too OP and need to be nerfed. And also, that they used Powercreep to try to hide thoses facts (but,too bad for them : It didn't work for this Add-on).

And seriously, who still believe in the 8.0 at this point?

I wouldn't be surprised if the healer role disapear and the current healer become either DPS or Support job.