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    Myrany's Avatar
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    Myrany Wilzuun
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    Zalera
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    Miner Lv 87
    Quote Originally Posted by TBerry View Post
    Try LotRO
    Even there you won't escape the DPS.
    Ah but unless it has changed in the last few years LotRO didn't force the trinity. And yes it was possible to get a matchmade group that was not viable because there were too many squishys. It was also possible to get an unkillable group.

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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I will keep saying it, but the best they could do to add complexity in a good way to healers is giving attacks that use the Job Gauge... Lilies for WHM, Addersgall for SGE and make Energy Drain for SCH into an actually respectable attack and not just a 100 potency poke.

    AST cards being a damage boost are always useful, but every other part is just RNG as you can only get MP regen from Astrodyne or a good damage boost. And Minor Arcana has a 50/50 chance to do effectively nothing.
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    Celica Genhu
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Amity_Roji View Post
    But that's effectively "deleting" healers, like I said.

    Healers want to heal. We don't want to be DPS - otherwise we'd just play the DPS jobs.
    I agree. Healers should heal more in all content, not just the occasional Extreme / Savage / Ultimate fight. It’s why I advocate for slight tank sustain / mitigation nerfs and minimum item level dungeons at max level.

    However, this doesn’t mean the healer jobs don’t deserve their own mini-dps rotation. We can built such a rotation using each job’s current DPS kit.

    Let’s take a look at WHM for example:

    Glare III - Fine As Is
    Afflatus Misery - Fine As Is
    Dia - 30sec DoT ability
    Glare IV - Locked behind a 120sec ability
    Holy - Only used in AoE situations.

    The problematic DPS actions are Dia, Glare IV, and , Holy. These three actions deserve to be used more in WHM’s dps rotation.

    Let’s make some adjustments.

    Decrease Presence of Mind’s CD down from 120secs to 60secs for more Glare IV’s.

    Shorten Dia’s DoT timer to 12, 15, or 20secs. Make WHM press this button more.

    Introduce a new trait that allows each tick / second of Dia’s DoT timer to proc into Glare IV. This works similarly to BLM’s old Thunder proc ability.

    Change Holy into an AoE DoT ability after Presence of Mind is used. This makes Holy, a Final Fantasy staple, usable in a single target rotation for WHM as it’s new “finisher.”

    There. A mini-DPS rotation for WHM with no new DPS actions included. The only thing left to do is to have the job gain a weaker version of Glare IV at an early level and have Cure I naturally upgrade to Cure II.
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    WeakestZenosEnjoyer's Avatar
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    Scrappy Moonlord
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    Halicarnassus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by currentlemon View Post
    Have Cure I naturally upgrade to Cure II.
    Freecure outliving undraw really shows just how clueless whoever is in charge of healer design is,

    the low level Glare 4 should totally be a water spell and I would like "Enhanced Holy" to be Aero 3 upgrading to Holy 2 somewhere around 60-70. Glare 2 can remain mysteriously absent because it's funny.
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    Zaytex Zanshin
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    Zodiark
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    Xenosys finally reacted to the strike he caused, and what a shocker, he basically told healers to go play savage if they want to feel needed. Yes, you do need healers in high end content, but it doesn't change the core argument of how fucking boring they become after the initial prog of a fight. You have barely anything to optimise on this job. You mash one button over and over, and even in savage (as I have played it) you're just mashing glare for up to 30 seconds at a time before the next raid wide of body check mechanic hits.

    What a shocker every youtuber who went to the media tour is basically dismissive of the healer strike and the general sentiment of healing in this game. I wonder why?

    And let's not basically tell our midcore playerbase to fuck off to another game. This game is just two extremes now. Casual content is a complete snooze fest to anybody who puts a little bit of effort into the game, and extremes+ have gotten more and more difficult with current encounter design. Where's the middle ground?

    Saying dungeons do not matter, or that literally nobody cares (he literally opened the thread where people care lol?) is just ridiculous too. We all have roullettes to do for tome-related gear and I'd like to do content which doesn't put me to sleep. I'd like for the healer role to be playable under savage and not miserable.
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaytex View Post
    Yes, you do need healers in high end content, but it doesn't change the core argument of how fucking boring they become after the initial prog of a fight. You have barely anything to optimise on this job. You mash one button over and over, and even in savage (as I have played it) you're just mashing glare for up to 30 seconds at a time before the next raid wide of body check mechanic hits.
    Woah woah now hold up buddy.

    Healers are boring DURING the initial prog as well!
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    Zephyr Menodora
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica_VS View Post
    I mean, people were even talking about blacklisting everyone they saw taking part in this thread / the strike.
    LOL. And they call people in this thread drama queens.
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    Zephyr Menodora
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica_VS View Post
    It's becoming spicy drama, for sure.
    Well, I was called a liar earier in this thread for stating I saw negativity outside of the forums about the strike. It clearly exists.
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