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    see the problem with this thread is that some of the Ideas come off as stupid and dumb like more damage and what not. Don't get me wrong I get yall wanna do more damage but then question comes into how much more than a Red DPS if so are u planning to just phase out DPS?
    For Me I would love to see Astro reverted back to where cards actually had more uses than just balance. I think cards should allow MP regen, Defence Buff, Attack Speed, Cast Speed, and Attack Buff and it should be able to switch between shields and heals, scholar should have both dots back, sage healing / shields should be slightly more buffed
    I dont think Healers should ever out damage a DPS thats to me just plain stupid. If I want more damage I'll go play Blm or Reaper..... or..... RED MAGE btw Its both blm and WHM cause of lore reasons but all jokes this movement kinda stupid with the insane request and understandable for the reasonable request.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakuyia View Post
    see the problem with this thread is that some of the Ideas come off as stupid and dumb like more damage and what not. Don't get me wrong I get yall wanna do more damage but then question comes into how much more than a Red DPS if so are u planning to just phase out DPS?
    For Me I would love to see Astro reverted back to where cards actually had more uses than just balance. I think cards should allow MP regen, Defence Buff, Attack Speed, Cast Speed, and Attack Buff and it should be able to switch between shields and heals, scholar should have both dots back, sage healing / shields should be slightly more buffed
    I dont think Healers should ever out damage a DPS thats to me just plain stupid. If I want more damage I'll go play Blm or Reaper..... or..... RED MAGE btw Its both blm and WHM cause of lore reasons but all jokes this movement kinda stupid with the insane request and understandable for the reasonable request.
    Most people don't want more damage in terms of numbers, they want more interesting and engaging ways to deal the damage we currently have. Right now our damage is primarily concentrated on one cast and a dot. As an alternative our damage could be distributed across more skills, such as giving SCH back their dot management while adjusting all damage numbers accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loggos View Post
    Most people don't want more damage in terms of numbers, they want more interesting and engaging ways to deal the damage we currently have. Right now our damage is primarily concentrated on one cast and a dot. As an alternative our damage could be distributed across more skills, such as giving SCH back their dot management while adjusting all damage numbers accordingly.
    I would suggest going the 2 tier spell route like in WoW with "Holy Shock" for example, can do moderate damage to an enemy or heal an ally for a greater value, my only concern with this is FFXIV has considerable UI lag and more often than not you will damage an enemy instead of targetting an ally for heal knocking in you GCD, I alrdy see this happening with SGE when using the oGCD heal when switching from attacking to healing, it doesnt happen often but i have to slow myself down in order to not end up healing myself instead of my intended target.

    Er but yeah thats my 2 cents on how changes could be made but im outta here before i get jumped for being a complete hater again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loggos View Post
    Most people don't want more damage in terms of numbers, they want more interesting and engaging ways to deal the damage we currently have. Right now our damage is primarily concentrated on one cast and a dot. As an alternative our damage could be distributed across more skills, such as giving SCH back their dot management while adjusting all damage numbers accordingly.
    ok so play harder content would be the answer to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakuyia View Post
    ok so play harder content would be the answer to that.
    This point has come up a couple of times before, so here is my answer to that:

    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6485793
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    Last edited by Loggos; 06-17-2024 at 01:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakuyia View Post
    ok so play harder content would be the answer to that.
    Is there any content exists harder than Savage, Savage Criterion and, Ultimate?

    Many people here already cleared those content multiple times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakuyia View Post
    ok so play harder content would be the answer to that.
    And when I'm spamming Dosis III 162 times which is more than every other button in my kit combined; including Eukrasia, which doesn't do anything by itself, then what am I supposed to do? The whole point of this thread and healer's overall frustration. There isn't any harder content that makes healer gameplay evolve beyond pressing the same single button a bazillion times. Not even Ultimate actually makes us genuinely heal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    And when I'm spamming Dosis III 162 times which is more than every other button in my kit combined; including Eukrasia, which doesn't do anything by itself, then what am I supposed to do? The whole point of this thread and healer's overall frustration. There isn't any harder content that makes healer gameplay evolve beyond pressing the same single button a bazillion times. Not even Ultimate actually makes us genuinely heal.
    This is the big problem. Even Ultimates have been cleared with no healer or solo healers. There IS no 'harder' content for us to heal just due to the combat design. All damage goes out in a scripted order that's easily handled by oGCDs, and if we have to GCD it's usually when the boss is invuln anyway. So just... what do we do? There isn't a win scenario available to healers right now. I wouldn't mind a more complex DPS rotation, but what I'd LIKE would be way more things to heal. I don't want DPS to be 90% of the buttons I press as a healer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakuyia View Post
    see the problem with this thread is that some of the Ideas come off as stupid and dumb like more damage and what not. Don't get me wrong I get yall wanna do more damage but then question comes into how much more than a Red DPS if so are u planning to just phase out DPS?
    For Me I would love to see Astro reverted back to where cards actually had more uses than just balance. I think cards should allow MP regen, Defence Buff, Attack Speed, Cast Speed, and Attack Buff and it should be able to switch between shields and heals, scholar should have both dots back, sage healing / shields should be slightly more buffed
    I dont think Healers should ever out damage a DPS thats to me just plain stupid. If I want more damage I'll go play Blm or Reaper..... or..... RED MAGE btw Its both blm and WHM cause of lore reasons but all jokes this movement kinda stupid with the insane request and understandable for the reasonable request.
    Healers don't want to out damage DPS, i doubt most even want to approach Tank damage either. They just want damage dealing that isn't just 1111112111111, because the better you become at healing the less healing you'll have to do and because of that you will mostly be pressing DPS buttons so improving them to be something more than 11111 is the main way to fix this.
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    But your job is mainly healing. Im not trolling im saying when you signed up to heal thats what you signed up for. When I dps im not sitting there think Oh boi i wish i could heal more? DPS - where i go when i want big numbers Healer is where i go when I wanna assist my team with heals. Tank is where i go when i wanna be a bad ass #youtanksareamazing
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