#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Tetsujin]

I'm just here to say this is based, and I don't even play healer.

[TBerry]

I mean, it won't change as long as people do the mechanics and damage can be avoided?
The only difference I see is less wall to walls?

[Heavenchild]

Honestly, I don't think that this will change much. Most people are fine with how it goes. And most people (the average gamer with a life and a job) never visit this forums and just play. So I guess there will be enough healers in que.

And if you really can manage it that a significant number of people would start to avoid playing healer, this could just result in other people use the healer role for a faster duty pop.

[Eorzean_username]

Honestly, I don't think that this will change much. Most people are fine with how it goes. And most people (the average gamer with a life and a job) never visit this forums and just play. So I guess there will be enough healers in que.

And if you really can manage it that a significant number of people would start to avoid playing healer, this could just result in other people use the healer role for a faster duty pop.

I'm starting to understand why major companies force you to look at an FAQ page before allowing you to speak to a live Customer Service representative.

[TBerry]

I personally think, from a Ranged DPS perspective, that, people should be more considerate of their pulls, and maybe the occasional status that can be removed. But something like forced vuln stacks or damage down would border to artifical difficulty.

[Aravell]

I've taken a peek at your Discord and saw there are about 230 people in there- not nothing, but even using FFXIVcensus.com's estimate of "endgame" characters only (~1.4m), it's not nearly enough to move the needle, even if you all "strike" for all of Dawntrail.

People keep bringing up this point and it's really just manipulating the numbers to favour your position.

So 1.4m or so players are playing the game, yes? How many of those regularly engage with the healer role? And how many of those who engage with the healer role are in opposition to the changes proposed here? THAT is the group of people that you can use for your argument, because that is the group that would be affected if healers change.

John Reaper isn't affected whether healers change or don't change, he's still able to play his job and will not care. So it's disingenuous to use the lump sum of the playerbase to boost your position.

Like I said before, claiming the support of the nebulous majority just weakens your argument as neither side can claim to speak for all players.

[Moonjava]

People keep bringing up this point and it's really just manipulating the numbers to favour your position.

So 1.4m or so players are playing the game, yes? How many of those regularly engage with the healer role? And how many of those who engage with the healer role are in opposition to the changes proposed here? THAT is the group of people that you can use for your argument, because that is the group that would be affected if healers change.

John Reaper isn't affected whether healers change or don't change, he's still able to play his job and will not care. So it's disingenuous to use the lump sum of the playerbase to boost your position.

Like I said before, claiming the support of the nebulous majority just weakens your argument as neither side can claim to speak for all players.

I'm really not trying to be dismissive, but 230/1.4m is .016% of the playerbase. If we assume that even only 5% of the playerbase usually plays healer (which is an incredibly generous assumption in favor of your position), that's 0.32% of all healers. That's not going to make a significant difference. Going purely by Discord membership, the numbers just aren't there at the moment.

[OliviaLugria]

I mean, the form doesn't have a lot of people, but the OP has 270 likes over 2,000 post, and drastically more coverage than kaiten, or the black mage changes. This has all happened in less than a week. What percentage asked for kaiten to be removed? What percentage asked for non-standard to be nuked? What percentage wanted summoner's difficulty lowered to the point of non-exisitance?

We are currently the most vocal and largest group on the fourms and they've changed and redesigned jobs that had way less of a voice.

[PercibelTheren]

People keep bringing up this point and it's really just manipulating the numbers to favour your position.

So 1.4m or so players are playing the game, yes? How many of those regularly engage with the healer role? And how many of those who engage with the healer role are in opposition to the changes proposed here? THAT is the group of people that you can use for your argument, because that is the group that would be affected if healers change.

John Reaper isn't affected whether healers change or don't change, he's still able to play his job and will not care. So it's disingenuous to use the lump sum of the playerbase to boost your position.

Like I said before, claiming the support of the nebulous majority just weakens your argument as neither side can claim to speak for all players.

I would like to tack one more point onto this. There are also a lot of dissatisfied players who don't use the forums. My FC has a lot of healer mains and pretty much all of them are some degree of unhappy with current healer design. They complain about it in FC chat or on Discord, they just don't post here.

Unless you are going to poll literally your whole playerbase, the best you can hope for in terms of feedback is a representative sample.

[Striker44]

I would like to tack one more point onto this. There are also a lot of dissatisfied players who don't use the forums. My FC has a lot of healer mains and pretty much all of them are some degree of unhappy with current healer design. They complain about it in FC chat or on Discord, they just don't post here.

Unless you are going to poll literally your whole playerbase, the best you can hope for in terms of feedback is a representative sample.

The issue is getting a sample that is reliably representative of the larger playerbase. The two types of samples we're discussing here are voluntary (forum posters) and convenience (people in our FC's), which in the statistics world are widely known for being two of the most unreliable ways of getting samples. It's general human nature for people to group up with other like-minded people, so your FC is more likely to reflect your own thoughts rather than the wider world. For example, the FC I'm in doesn't complain about healers at all...which makes sense, because if I was in an FC that just complained all the time, chances are really good I would find a different FC that is more in line with my own thoughts. Human nature. The potential "danger" is using an unreliable sample that just ends up resulting in confirmation bias rather than an accurate view of what's really going on.

There's no reason to wait. Media tour shows game is still broken. Hope this helps.

No, a group of elite veteran streamers being able to do something doesn't mean anything is "broken." Things are "broken" when something applies to your typical, average player. Not to your no-lifer who has become one of the top few of the top few players and is able to play at a level most of the playerbase isn't anywhere close to.