Paired Threads: What would it take to make Heaker kits "complex/interesting"?

[Allegor]

Because it's quite obvious they just like to stir the pot. There, I said it

[Renathras]

If you don’t believe my original post was a comment about other players not being “real” healers, then why say anything at all?

Because I didn't say anything like it at all and was castigated for saying something even resembling it. It was interesting seeing some of the people who attacked me (when I didn't even say "not real healers" or anything like it) agreeing with your post that was far closer to saying it instead of leveling the same attack on your post. Interesting, though not at all unexpected. Hypocrisy and double standards know many forms and names.

But, specifically, I wasn't focused on you saying that at all. It's why I said "So why are you defending from attacks I didn't make?" and "You're attacking the wrong things."

The bulk of my post - which I note you are studiously avoiding addressing - is that people who DO main Healers, mainly or even exclusively play Healers, etc, are also disagreeing with you. So what I'm attacking is your notion that the only people who think Healers are fine are people who don't play them, or who don't play them exclusively, or who primarily play other roles and only dabble in Healers and so likely don't have well formed positions on the issues the role may be facing.

That was what I was replying to you saying. Note I spent a mere one line on the first point: "This sounds eerily similar to the "real healers" argument I was told is an insult and not allowed (even though I wasn't using it) to describe people with different opinions."

The entire rest of my reply to you was talking about how your assumption is in error. Don't get stuck on one line while ignoring everything else, especially since that one line wasn't even an accusation. That's dodging the greater point. If you want, I'll even delete that line so you can focus on what I'm actually pointing out.

But why should I bother? You probably won't anyway. Besides, I didn't (contrary to the peanut gallery insisting otherwise) come here to "stir the pot". I only wanted to oppose the highly wrong notion that the only people who like Healers right now are people who do not play them and thus can't be expected to have well formed opinions in the matter. (Which is also a form of the ad hominem fallacy, in that it's attacking the people holding opinions and suggesting their opinions are likely less educated/valid, as opposed to addressing their positions/arguments.)

Because it's quite obvious they just like to stir the pot. There, I said it

No, this is because people like you and the others here saying this like to attack people that disagree with you (ad hominem fallacy) rather than discussing things rationally.

That's why you assume other people share your motivations who do not. There, I said it.