Paired Threads: What would it take to make Heaker kits "complex/interesting"?

[Renathras]

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"Otherwise you just seem like someone who hates change for the sake of hating change." - My DUDE! Stop. Lying! I JUST GOT DONE TELLING YOU why you're wrong about this. And I'll note YOU DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.

You did EXACTLY what I said you would - used other parts of my post to avoid answering the question. You know what? I wrote up a post. But I'm just going to cut it out (maybe I'll post it later) and post this again so you might ANSWER IT THIS TIME. Since if I say literally ANYTHING else, you'll address that and ignore this, dodging like Neo. Not this time.

You think that jobs are fine as-is because most people are content with them, and change is not required.

No.

I do not, and that's not at all an accurate representation of my viewpoint. YOU EVEN KNOW THIS based on my past proposals. You KNOW better than this.

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When I say - in the post right above this one - that AST and SCH have a major problem with their rotation, AND EVEN PROPOSE CHANGES: How is that saying the Jobs are fine, EXACTLY?

I also frequently have said that Healers are too same-y in a general sense and at least some need to be changed. How is THAT saying they are fine, EXACTLY?

I also have a long history here of complaining about encounter design vs the Healer kits. How is THAT saying they are fine, EXACTLY?

Even the Healer I argue the most shouldn't be changed, WHM, I have said it needs a 60 sec CD partywide mitigation added. THAT IS A CHANGE. Even my most conservative proposals involve changes! And I've made a more extensive change proposal that includes making their GCD heals generate Lilies because I think they can't be realistically used in the current system and I think that is a problem/downside. How is THAT saying it's "fine", EXACTLY?

So in what way ON EARTH do you arrive at "You think that jobs are fine as-is because most people are content with them"?

[hb]Putting the rest under HB because I REALLY want you to answer THAT question and you tend to get distracted when I say other stuff you decide you'd rather respond to instead that lets you avoid saying "Oh, okay, maybe I'm wrong about that..." or actually giving an explanation. So answer THAT QUESTION first.

How is me literally proposing and suggesting changes being one who "hates change for the sake of hating change", EXACTLY?

Please, by all means, SHARE WITH THE CLASS how your lying and slandering me somehow is true even though it can't be true.

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EDIT: Aside, my questions are getting a few nibbles. Success! Well, the early stages, anyway...

Results are still few, but more coming in. One of the biggest complaints doesn't seem to be about Healer damage kits, but rather people complaining about encounter design and feeling like the game should have more healing. Fascinating...

[ASkellington]

Results are still few, but more coming in. One of the biggest complaints doesn't seem to be about Healer damage kits, but rather people complaining about encounter design and feeling like the game should have more healing. Fascinating...

Honestly nothing we haven't said already. Multiple times. The problem is that SE refuses to change encounter design because they think its fine when, no it isn't. For the amount of healing tools I have I expect to use them in all content. I don't. You could delete half my kit and I wouldn't feel a difference.

Where we argue is the solution to the stubbornness of the dev team. You don't want to make healing more of a challenge? Fine. Then if healing is going to be a snoozefest, let me have a interesting dps kit to juggle between damage and healing then.