Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Zolvolt]

It doesn't make sense to have a "pure healer" in this game.

Raids:
Every healer needs to be able to do any content.
Which means that the only way Whm will be wanted over sch/astro is if choosing whm means you can drop down to 1 healer. If choosing whm doesn't allow you to drop down to 1 healer than you're missing out on dps utility via sch and astro. The extra "pure healing" from White Mage has to be a significant gain, but unless the other healers are underpowered for the content, then how does this ever work? Looking at Whitemage, we have no utility. My damage as ahealer isn't significantly better than anyone else's. An astro can do my job while giving dps buffs. A sch can do dps more consistently, brings a crit debuff, and keeps heals. There is SOME potential in the absorb mechanic since it can stack with other absorbs, however there have to be some pretty crazy tank busts for it to be a "thank god we have a whitemage" kind of ordeal.

[Zolvolt]

Mechanics tied to Cure:
Our new healing stacks tied to Cure I and Cure II I feel super sad pandas about this. In heavensward I can go entire dungeons without EVER casting Cure I or Cure II. Because Divine Seal, Regen, Medica 2's regen (for stacking hots on big pulls),Asylum, Tetragrammaton, and the rare time I weave a healing assize between my stone 3 spam, is wayyyy more than enough to heal any 4man, without susing MP in most cases AND many of these abilities are not on the GCD, allowing for more DPS globals. Not to mention we have benediction for those times I need tetra and its on cd. White mage is built in a nice way where all these abilities works extremely well enough to the point where hard casting cure I and Cure II is just not necessary unless players are just standing in all the bad things all the time. For this reason I hate that we have any new mechanics tied to cure. Why put a mechanic on an ability that is only there when absolutely everything else is on cooldown? Worse if its not guaranteed on casts

[IttyBitty]

There is SOME potential in the absorb mechanic since it can stack with other absorbs

Remember that Stoneskin *already* stacks with SCH/AST shields. Benison is a joke.

[SuzakuCMX]

Remember that Stoneskin *already* stacks with SCH/AST shields. Benison is a joke.

Stoneskin was only 10% of max HP and had a cast time and MP cost.

[Cynfael]

Remember that Stoneskin *already* stacks with SCH/AST shields. Benison is a joke.

Yeah, it's not terribly impressive with a 60-second CD and needing to consume Lilies that you may or may not have depending on the intensity of your Cure spamming and the favor of RNG, not to mention that the CD-reduction benefit of the Lily system competes for that same resource.

15% isn't bad at all, especially as HP values continue to rise, but on the other hand it's difficult to forget that 15% was the old value of WHM's now-lost Graniteskin and that Aspected Benefic cast by a Noct AST is 200 potency at 300% shielding, insta-cast, and on the GCD rather than a 60 second CD. No, WHM doesn't need to directly compete in the shielding department, but it sure as hell puts Benison in some perspective.

[magnanimousCynic]

Stoneskin was only 10% of max HP and had a cast time and MP cost.

Meanwhile Stoneskin doesn't have a recast of 60 seconds and doesn't need a 20% proc chance that only occurs from 2 inefficient healing spells that we try to use as least as possible..

Also you have to use Cure I/Cure II five times to guarantee a lily to use for Benison, which negates the "free" MP cost. That's not considering that you may have used that lily for something else while Benison was on cooldown.

[IttyBitty]

Stoneskin was only 10% of max HP and had a cast time and MP cost.

And? On-demand mitigation > Cooldown gated behind an unreliable mechanic that's going to cost you more mana and GCD time to access than a Stoneskin would have.

Yit's difficult to forget that 15% was the old value of WHM's now-lost Graniteskin

Graniteskin was 18%. It's not even as good as what used to be the default for us. It's horribly frustrating.

At least with Benison you can use it as an emergency absorb mid hit "good for something like the missile hits on a1s" or as an emergency "oh god he's super low, he needs something now!" which I mean, isn't that good when you have bene and tetra. Its kind of like they took stone skin and made it way easier to use and more flexible (albeit with a cd)

Stoneskin is flexible, as it's available on demand. A skill gated behind RNG is not flexible.

[Zolvolt]

At least with Benison you can use it as an emergency absorb mid hit "good for something like the missile hits on a1s" or as an emergency "oh god he's super low, he needs something now!" which I mean, isn't that good when you have bene and tetra. Its kind of like they took stone skin and made it way easier to use and more flexible (albeit with a cd)

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Just please, stop being selfish saying your class is broken and look to the other ones too.

How is this at all being selfish? We're not the strongest healer anymore despite healing being the ONLY thing we can do, we can't buff, we don't have party synergy, we have one healer CD while the others have two, we have less party mitigation than Tanks, we have just a bit over half the number of abilities the other healers now have, and every one of our new healing spells in SB are gated around RNG that promotes the spamming of Cure/Cure II, which is frowned upon more than anything. And even then, the most we got out of lilies is a Stoneskin on a single target, or another AOE heal...

They could delete us right now and nothing of value would be lost. The last thing we're being is selfish.

[Cynfael]

At least with Benison you can use it as an emergency absorb mid hit "good for something like the missile hits on a1s" or as an emergency "oh god he's super low, he needs something now!" which I mean, isn't that good when you have bene and tetra. Its kind of like they took stone skin and made it way easier to use and more flexible (albeit with a cd)

All true as far as it goes, but even then you may or may not have Lilies to use when you need them, especially if you are trying to leverage them to reduce cooldowns on other abilities.