Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by javid

Agreed with you! But to Tonberry point; bc Yoshi doesn't think healer NEED to dps; Yoshi has purposefully tuned the raids to require 0 healer dps. Meaning all healer dps is bonus for the party meeting dps checks! (some ppl find that a good thing like me! Others are mad and want healer dps to be required in the dps checks.... like maybe Tonberry).

Stating that Yoshi has purposefully tuned the raids to require 0 healer DPS may be a bit misleading. It's more accurate to say that the raid DPS checks are tuned specifically with minimum Tank and DPS role contributions taken into account (excepting the Healer role).

It's a small distinction, but I believe that it's an important one. The first statement implies to me that healers should consider themselves exempt from any contribution beyond basic healing, so sayeth the Yoshida. The second statement acknowledges that the math in raid design deliberately doesn't account for healers, leaving it up to individual parties and players to determine the optimal degree of healer DPS participation.

And here is an excerpt from another recent interview that should clarify the answer.

Yoshida: By now, I think a feeling has developed that healers have to participate in DPSing in instanced dungeons. Even if it's just a silent pressure, it is there. Because of that feeling, there were some players who may have felt anxious about joining as a healer. For someone like me who isn't focused about clear time, I'm fine as long as we can clear it. And I'll try to take things more slowly if I see someone who might be new. However, it's been getting more and more difficult for healers, which I'm sorry about. On my personal account, I play all the roles, and I like to have the feeling that I can play through instanced dungeons on my favorite role.

Since things are more serious in raiding, on the other hand, you'll definitely want to DPS for the first clear. As item levels go up and you're after repeat clears, the roles may shift. (laughs)

F: I see.

Yoshida: That said, sometimes when I'm participating in instanced dungeons, I'll queue as tank or healer because the matchmaking is so fast, but in the case of healer, although attacking itself isn't hard, I feel that the stance switching narrows the field of players who are interested in healing. When looking at the data, even though many players have healers at the appropriate job level, they won't be participating as healer. When considering the reasons for this, it seems that there are two main ones - it's too much work, and being asked to DPS.

F: There are many who feel that way.

Yoshida: So we decided to calculate healers' attack magic potency based on MND. Since you no longer need Cleric Stance, you can Holy whenever you feel like it. After stunning the enemies with Swiftcast Holy, you can then catch up with heals. With this increased level of comfort, the number of people participating in instanced dungeons as healer will definitely go up.

Originally Posted by Feidam

Yoshida snippets.

While I maintain that asking healers not to twiddle their thumbs shouldn't be viewed as excessively imposing, I think that Yoshi is taking the correct position in standing outside the fray. It's generally best for the game that more players actively play more roles; we can only hope that they choose of their own accord to play them well.

More on the original topic, I'm looking forward to seeing what changes await us at the launch of 4.0 since we know the dev team has continued to work on WHM (and assumedly other) mechanics since April. I don't think there's much more to say on the media release build at this point, so I'm just waiting for launch.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

It's extremely obvious that he's either disconnected with healers who raid (or healers who just like fun, engaging job spells for that matter) and really doesn't know what we want or need, or even worse, thinks that the current healers are even marginally balanced.
Perhaps AST and SCH is, but WHM is several levels below them.

....he doesnt just have the hardcore players to please...did you miss the part that showed data that the masses have healers lvled but they wont play the healer role b/c its too complicated to heal/dps or they find it cumbersome (THINGS I'VE REPEATEDLY SAID......) Doesn't seem disconnected at all.

Whm= causal
ast/sch= pro

something for everybody, but some ppl want everything for themselves....

Originally Posted by Medeah

I dunno where you guys got the info that earthly star is 30y but it is definitely not. To be accurate, the media tour tooltip listed the ability with a radius of 1y which is obvioulsy an error but people who got to play it said it is 10y.

It starts off at 10y, and expands to 30y after 10 seconds.

Except with the change to damage coming off of mind cleric stance is essentially on all the time now. A change especially beneficial to assize. I agree the whm needed some help but let's not act like something's are problems when they are not. Furthermore we already know that they have at least heard the complaints and are looking into things. I think all the complaints can stop now and wait to see what they do. Then after seeing what they did you can start anew if needed.

Originally Posted by javid

, but some ppl want everything for themselves....

Why is one job out of 13 in the game designated as "casual" and deserves to not have any helpful or strong mechanics for itself?
If that's actually true, it's a very stupid move on Yoshi's part, to be blunt about it.

And creating interesting and fun mechanics isn't only catering to hardcore players. I'm sure casual players would love a fun system on their WHM that rewards them and makes them feel powerful. If anything, this lily system will turn more players off of WHM rather then draw them in. No one wants to sit around playing with RNG, and CD reduction is very BORING.

Casual doesn't have to mean boring or weak.