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  1. #2101
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    CaeliaCat's Avatar
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    Caelia Starlight
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    Leviathan
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by OcieKo View Post
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    AST tentatively received a trait called Hyper Lightspeed, that reduces the recast time of Lightspeed by 5 seconds on a critical Benefic or Benefic II. AST also has a trait to force a critical Benefic II. Everything in the AST toolkit synergizes well with itself. The WHM Lily II trait lowers recast time on Assize and Asylum for some reason on critical heals (not Presence of Mind, the longer recast time). However the WHM Cure trait also procs a FREE MP Cure, not a Critical Cure. There is no synergy.

    Now if you're referring to the overall Lily system (Secret of the Lily I), the media tour build is broken, and not in a good way. The OGCD skills (Assize, Asylum, Tetra, and Benison) would be used on average every.. 15~20 seconds? Something like that. All lilies are spent by using ANY of those 4 abilities guaranteed that a WHM would never actually get to 3 lilies and reap the benefit of the exponential cool down reduction by having more lilies.

    On the damage / utility side, I'm asking is that WHM get SOMETHING for party utility. Even your Diurnal Sect AST (in mourning) gets a 10% party-wide mitigation ability for some odd reason. I'd also drop royal road AOE ability down to 33 or maybe even 25% potency for balance, but in lieu of that, yes WHM needs to bring something extra to the party (HASTE), or substantially increase its personal damage potential over the other two healers.
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  2. #2102
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    Imbri Undinare
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    Kujata
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Loyan View Post
    For me, one big "buff" on White Mage is Presence of Mind can be use on Alied targets.
    Range 0 = self only =p It's the same PoM as ever.
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  3. #2103
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    Exiled_Tonberry's Avatar
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Cupcakesu View Post
    They removed Stoneskin because they wanted to regurgitate it back to us as a new post-60 skill that costs Lilies, evidently.
    "Darn, I can't think of anything else to give WHMs....Hey wait! Didn't they say they wanted their old Stoneskin back? Hahaha, we'll give them their old Stoneskin back alright!"
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  4. #2104
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    Kethic Zachrias
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loyan View Post
    For me, one big "buff" on White Mage is Presence of Mind can be use on Alied targets.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    Range 0 = self only =p It's the same PoM as ever.
    Target-able PoM would be amazing though. Make PoM and Thin Air target-able. How's that for utility?
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  5. #2105
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    Saraphin's Avatar
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    Dante Haiwindo
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    Ultros
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kethic View Post
    Target-able PoM would be amazing though. Make PoM and Thin Air target-able. How's that for utility?
    no. i refuse. Thin Air is our only new Toy. i'm not giving that away when i can use it for DPS to kill stuff since all we can do is kill stuff and hope we help kill it before it kills the tank and group.
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  6. #2106
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    Elamys's Avatar
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    Song Sparrow
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaeliaCat View Post
    On the damage / utility side, I'm asking is that WHM get SOMETHING for party utility. Even your Diurnal Sect AST (in mourning) gets a 10% party-wide mitigation ability for some odd reason.
    What are you talking about? Bole? Collective Unconscious? Diurnal hasn't changed to get some new mitigation ability that we didn't have already to my knowledge.
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    cerise leclaire
    (bad omnicrafter & terrible astrologian)

  7. #2107
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    Caelia Starlight
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    What are you talking about? Bole? Collective Unconscious? Diurnal hasn't changed to get some new mitigation ability that we didn't have already to my knowledge.
    I was talking about collective unconscious. I'm just pointing out that it's ridiculous that Diurnal AST, on top of all the card utility, still gets a party wide 10% damage mitigation tool in Stormblood(that ALSO adds a HoT). It's another point of disparity between the other healers and WHM at this point.

    Maybe it made sense when AST had weaker healing ability, but that's just not the case anymore. If all WHM can do is throw out a single 15% shield on one person (if RNG procs a lily when needed), then why should a Diurnal AST get a 10% party-wide mitigation ability now that their healing has been continuously boosted to be on par with WHM?
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  8. #2108
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    Collective Unconscious has both a damage reduction and HoT because its effect used to vary on what sect you were in- being in Diurnal gave it a HoT, Nocturnal the damage reduction. This was considered clunky and so they were merged. That's also why CU still has that weird requirement to be in a sect (Why wouldn't you be after all)? So, they used to be separate, but it was not found to be a good ability that way.
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    Last edited by Elamys; 06-06-2017 at 11:56 AM.

    cerise leclaire
    (bad omnicrafter & terrible astrologian)

  9. #2109
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    Kethic Zachrias
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Saraphin View Post
    no. i refuse. Thin Air is our only new Toy. i'm not giving that away when i can use it for DPS to kill stuff since all we can do is kill stuff and hope we help kill it before it kills the tank and group.
    You are 100% correct. I am sorry for suggesting it.
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  10. #2110
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    Dante Haiwindo
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    Ultros
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kethic View Post
    You are 100% correct. I am sorry for suggesting it.
    apology accepted. we have to cling to our new toy that will allow us to Holy spam.
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