Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Saigo

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So you're telling me that me being passed over constantly trying to pug simply because my main was WHM is all in my imagination?

Seriously? The difference is huge in the content were it matters

Correction the lilies to Assize, no. Sure it sounds great having it be on a lower cd but the thing is you're wasting gcds to get them. It's ultimately a dps loss. Lets say you do use 15 of them to get the three lilies (at best) and you do get an extra assize, hooray thats 300 extra aoe potency. However, lets say that during that period only 2 -3 of them were actually needed and a regen could cover them. Only only 4 healing gcds were needed, and you use the rest on stone 4. 260x11 is 2860. Now look at that extra 300 and you see that you will about 2500 potency about trying to make use of the lilies.

Edit incoming.

Like other people have said, the lily system is not engaging. It is not fun. Mr happy and other people who were on the media tour were not impressed by it. Hell, evem the japanese players aren't happy with lilies, though it wasn't such an uproar as it is over here. So we will most likely be seeing changes(though probably not major changes before 4.1-4.2).

Next the WHM did lose abilities and does have less than SCH or AST even not counting the cards or pets. It at 24(stlll fluid aura and repose are there so it would be 26 but unless SB has stuff that can be sleep or knockback and it's advantage to the party, they're not going on the hotbar) AST has 29 and SCH has 30. If you need proof, here's a flipchart. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...oQ0/edit#gid=0

Before we get too ahead, let's remember theres still 1-2 weeks before early access and release. Some of these numbers may change however, I don't that it would be much.

The lily system for Whm should be revamped. The idea of using cure to proc rng lilies does not reflect the best way to play the job from a raiding perspective. In the most optimized setting, whms and Astros using Diurnal sect will rely on regen from both solo regen and their aoe regen spells and the scholar's auto heals from Embrace to keep the tank topped. If they ever manually heal, it's to use cure 2 or benefic 2 rarely. To go out of their way to cast inefficient heals to proc their lilies does not reflect how to play the job effectively.

From a supportive role, this system will help Whm function in a raid scenario. The lilies proc based on regen crits. If your regen (not medica 2) ticks crit, you have a 30% chance to proc a lily. Every lily can be used to increase the attack speed of all nearby party members and yourself. The effect stacks the more lilies you have. 2% for one lily, 5% for two lilies, 10% for 3 lilies. The duration would be 20-30sec. Basically, an aoe arrow.

To add to this, with the addition of bard's permanent 2% crit buff for all party members, as well as scholar's 20%, battle litany giving 15% crit, and monk's relying on party members to crit to build chakra stacks, now more than ever, crit will play a dominant role in all substat builds. This lily system will let whm's stack crit for a purpose, to increase their own damage and healing, as well as support the party.

I'd like to contribute my own suggestions to improve WHM for stormblood. Replacing random chance procs with procs that trigger once a total amount of healing potency has been done to allies would make them predictable and easier to plan a fight around. Instead of reducing the cooldown of oGCD spells, a system that buffed potency of gave the WHM some other form of buff would have a greater impact on fights. Remaking the lily system to proc off of total healing potency done to allies to give access to unique abilities and spells that cost varying amounts of lilies would feel more rewarding and breathe life into the healer aspect of the job. Giving WHM a more unique form of mitigation, such as but not specifically a defensive buff to allies, would give it something to make the job more in line with the other healers without deviating from the pure healer theme. I enjoy the WHM job and hope for continued adjustments as Stormblood release approaches.

People are discussing the Stormblood abilities and all other kind of problems, but if you want to discuss WHM, you should start at the beginning, i.e. the base toolkit of WHM.

You have the three Cure Spells: Cure, Cure II and Cure III (AoE).
You have the two Medica Spells: Medica (AoE) and Medica II (AoE HoT).
You have a HoT Spell: Regen.

Which of these spells are redundant?

Cure III: Medica and Medica II provide more than enough AoE healing, if necessary Assize and Assylum complement it.
Cure I/II: Regen is far more efficient than Cure I, Medica II is up for a fairly high amount of time, if AoE is going out, you priorize Medica, if you need big single-target heals, Benediction and Tetragrammaton take priority.

Now come the Stormblood Abilities: Lilies and Confession, that are majorly based around Cure I and Cure II, probably to make WHM actually use their Iconic spells.
Just that Medica, Medica II and Regen still vastly outperform all the Cure Spells - and suddenly you have a giant mess of abilities in Stormblood.

The simplest way to fix it would be the radical one: Remove Medica and Medica II.
Then, continue with something like:
- Regen is limited to one target, but can proc Lilies
- Cure III can also proc Lilies.
- Lilies proc far more conistent due to regen/casting cures.
- AoE Heal will be handled by Cure III, Assize, Asylum and Confession. (this is still 4 AoE healing abilities, with Lilies actually being more readily available)
- maybe Add some sort of group damage support based around Lilies Consumption (trade healing vs. group damage)

AST then could become a HoT Healer (i.e. Remove Shields from AST), while WHM focues on big direct heal to get the group up.

Originally Posted by Hustensaft

The simplest way to fix it would be the radical one: Remove Medica and Medica II.

Please no.

Originally Posted by Vaelin

Please no.

I'd like your arguments for that.

Originally Posted by Hustensaft

I'd like your arguments for that.

I'm not even sure where to begin, that's the issue.
Skill pruning - We already have a shockingly low amount of skills.
Actual common sense - You do realise Cure 3 is considered situational at best for Aoe healing? And no matter how strong you think the Lilies could be, the loss of Medica and Medica 2 could never equal it out to a better system. It would gut the class even more than it has been already, and that's already a joke.
Do I need to say any more at this point?