Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by IttyBitty

Reward is still underwhelming, Yeah it's more "reliable" but it's still wholly antithetical to WHM gameplay. If you want to use Benison, you still have to throw out a potentially useless Cure 2 before casting it.

It is a very perplexing design decision.

I agree entirely. It's like they stepped out of the way of one incoming car without looking for the one coming the other way.

Originally Posted by Metsonm

At least now you can somewhat plan around it and it's not 100% RNG. Still not great, but it goes towards fixing one of the several issues.

While a decent change, this somewhat scares me. It's a band-aid solution to a much bigger problem. You still only want to use Cure II sparingly; less so than Cure even. And cooldown reduction in and of itself is not a coveted feature. This makes me think they'll double down on the Lily mechanics longer similar to how they refused to make any meaningful changes to Paladin throughout 3.x despite everyone knowing what its problems were. Hopefully, this is more of a "we couldn't fix things before Stormblood" decision and not "we still like the mechanic" one.

Originally Posted by Bill_Murray

Yoshi P confirmed this morning that Cure II will proc a lily 100% of the time. This is a step in the right direction. Thanks for listening to the community's feedback, SE.

I wouldn't call that a step in the right direction. Cure II is a spell used only when you need emergency heal on someone, it's not a spammed spell (unless you want to get out of mana fast). So it cannot be the main skill to get those lilies.

If SE wants this new system to be used, it needs 2 things: First, to get decent chances to get those lilies to appear, by playing "normally", as in, not spamming inefficient or even useless spells (as in use a Cure II instead of Cure I just to proc the lily, generating mass overheal that way). Second, the reward given by lilies need to be something we'd like to get.
As it is, the only interesting reward from getting lilies is the ability to cast that new barrier spell. That's it. And it will inevitably feel more like a pain (can't use the skill when you'd need to) than a blessing. If it stays like it is, I'd probably play with disabling the new interface all together. It's just a waste of space on my screen. If I have a lily or more, my barrier spell will be shown, if I don't, it will be greyed out. That's all I need to know to play (which is sad...).

It would be much more interesting if the lilies were given to us by normal gameplay (through regens for example, since they're our main source of healing, and even in the case of heavy damage where we spam cure, we also use regens too in those circumstances). And a nice thing would be if those lilies gave us a passive buff (to be determined, spell potency buff, spell speed buff, something we want to have). So then you'd be having a choice: do I sacrifice that passive buff I got from my lilies to cast Assize or Asylum ?

Originally Posted by Estriella_Faerie

I wouldn't call that a step in the right direction. Cure II is a spell used only when you need emergency heal on someone, it's not a spammed spell (unless you want to get out of mana fast). So it cannot be the main skill to get those lilies.

He also said there were "lots" of other changes, but he didn't elaborate. (or so it is reported) So now... we get to wait till E3/Open Beta Early Access

Originally Posted by Bill_Murray

Yoshi P confirmed this morning that Cure II will proc a lily 100% of the time. This is a step in the right direction. Thanks for listening to the community's feedback, SE.

The only right direction would be back to the drawing board. I don't think they can make a good system out of this with tweaks.

I don't play a WHM, but it seems to me like, in addition to these changes, there isn't much emphasis on the elements that the WHM controls, which if I remember right are wind, earth and water? What if the WHM's dps actually allowed for stronger options of those attacks when the lily gauge is full? This way they could either heal or DPS depending on the situation?

"Confirmed Cure II will trigger Lily with 100% chance" - From Reddit a bit under an hour ago (of this post's timestamp)

Making it "easier" to get lilies (which is debatable since grossly-overhealing with Cure 2 is bound to present MP and efficiency issues by itself) is basically them trying to polish a turd at this point. If the system itself is flawed then no QoL improvement is actually going to change much for the better. I'll be remaining pessimistic until we see what the other "changes" are, and it's probably best that we all stay that way until we can see more.

I'm not sure if this has been covered but I have an idea for Plenary Indulgence.

Instead of having the stacks heal one individual. Make it a deployed heal that heals everyone. Essentially, you can build up the stacks on the tank or whoever you are focus healing. Then deploy off them for a 30y heal. Increase its timer to 30s like indomm.