Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Teykos

I'm curious. Is there any improvement at all if the following got changed:
- The old oGCD stuff doesn't consume any lilies at all
- Divine Benison only eats up one lily.
- Lilies last one minute if not refreshed by a proc
- GCD reduction is thus based on total # of lilies active and applies to everything

So basically treat lilies as a more or less passive GCD reduction that you can sacrifice for up to three emergency stoneskins.

Making progress in a decent direction, but having lilies only affect 1 skill would just be boring. Could be more interesting to have the OGCDs take down 1 lily at a time for that CDR. Basically making the subgame about maintaining the third lily as much as possible. Pretty much decentivizing spamming OGCDs in place of actual heals. Which would make something like, have 3 lily stacks, use Tetra 20% CDR lose 1 lily, cast some cures in between get lily back, use assize with 20% CDR being "good" play as opposed to have 3 lily stacks Use tetra for 20% CDR, then Assize for 10% CDR, and Asylum for 4% CDR being more "bad" play or for more emergency moments. Slightly more interesting way of handling it without removing the RNG and adding more control. Having Cure III, Medica I, and Medica IIs INITIAL heal have a chance to proc em seems reasonable, possibly capping at 1 lily per cast with a chance per hit to keep it from being abused to hard, say 3-5% per hit meaning a cap of 24-40% per cast.

Sorry, but having regens affect procs is asking for broken, would be the same if Diurnal ASTs regens were added to Bene 1/2s new synergy with Lightspeed, just broken. As an AST who mostly focuses on Diurnal, I already use my regens too much when their not needed, Im fairly certain I'd be better off using Bene 1 most of the time I use ABene on DPS, I just do it cause, i ta cast and forget. And from my experience waaay to many WHMs/ASTs cave into that inefficient playstyle too much, makes me die a little inside when I see WHMs using Medica II randomly before its HoT effect is mostly gone, if you have 9-28s left on Medica II use Medica 1, its better Im serious 100 more potency and a lot less MP (said to hopefully avoid the misunderstanding of refreshing it early when mechanics are about to want it, i.e. Ravana flying swords phase). Seems common to neglect here that a major factor healer MP efficiency has to with the difference between effective healing and overhealing, not just time between having to heal. Regens on targets that dont need a majority of the healing provided are EXTREMELY inefficient, if MP management comes to be more important, as its currently feeling like, in 4.X a lot of healers are up for a rude awakening, and some of us multi-game veteran healers are gunna be struck with some serious nostalgia.

Benison, cant argue it feels bad in its current implementation, both requiring and consuming 3 lilies is rough, require 3 or consume all but req at least 1 would be enough in the current system. With the roughrework i made a pass at earlier, not sure, let a few more consistent WHMs play with that.

Confession and Plenary Indulgence: biggest oroblem this is having right now seems to be a fixation on calling it an AOE heal. When I initially heard about it, it struck me more as an anytime Synergy from AST great for thing like when both tanks are actively tanking, otherwise an extra tank specific tetra. And simply has an added bonus of possibly healing a few others, since I beliebe Confession already has a stack limit in place, could use a more reliable proc chance. But removing the fixation on it being a "heal everyone AOE" may help the impression of it.

Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

I don't see an S near A9 or A10 so I assume they're talking about normal mode.

I was using my phone and the "s" didn't register. Sorry

I’ll add my 2 cents on where I think WHM should go here. Current state, the WHM mechanic isn’t intuitive to game-play and more importantly lacks group support abilities. Lets reinforce WHM identity toward Hots…

Make lilies proc based on an amount of healing done (not over healing). Add a skill that consumes lilies which will heal for the remaining regen potency on party members (both from medica 2 and regen) and passively provides a scaling GCD reduction while left unspent.

Passive
1 lily 5% CD reduction
2 lilies 10% CD reduction
3 lilies 15% CD reduction

Active
heals for 50% of remaining Regen/Medica 2 potency, consuming active hots
heals for 100% of remaining Regen/Medica 2 potency, consuming active hots
heals for 100% of remaining Regen/Medica 2 potency, hots remain

Add a skill which spreads the Regen effect from one target to the full party.
Add a skill which resets both Regen and Medica 2 durations to full.
Add a skill which acts like an AOE rampart x% damage reduction for x sec.
Add Reflect, single target buff which nullifies an attack and does damage at x potency

On a side note I think the devs need to seriously look at AST and consider removing both sects focusing on it as a direct heal class with a card buff system. The current design is negatively impacting the healer landscape.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Again, and the issue needs to be pressed, we're not claiming that we can't clear content or that were not viable. We're just tiers below the other healers in both our healing toolkit and utility, we're undesirable.

As far as the idea that you could delete WHM and nothing of value would be lost, please do tell me what WHM offers to the raid that your 7 other party members would hate to lose? All healers can heal as strongly as WHM, but they all offer more unique skills beyond that. WHM only heals, and now it isn't even the best at healing. It's ridiculous

In this community, "not the absolute best" always gets construed as "garbo!!!! do not bring or u can not cleer" and, yes, people ARE saying things like that, so the sooner we stop spreading around that ridiculous notion, the better.

You know it's just being dramatic to claim that WHM can just be deleted. It is seriously not that bad. WHM is still a very strong healer.