Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Saigo

It's also funny to compare with Spear when Spear cost a card and a royal road and that's now free for WHM just by healing properly.

>Healing properly

Spamming Cure I and Cure II isn't healing properly as a WHM. You use Regen as your primary source of healing because of it being almost twice as MP-efficient as Cure I in potency.

Spear is also considered the worst card an AST can get, and it's still better or just as good than Lilies could ever be. The Recast reduction from the Lilies is 4% at one Lily, 10% at 2 Lilies, and 20% at 3 Lilies, which takes about 15 Cure I/II WITHOUT USING ANYTHING THAT USES UP YOUR LILIES. Assuming you need 5 Cures for a Lily, that means you'd have to spend about 30 seconds of doing nothing but Cure I/II for a measly 20% Recast while AST can get the same amount by just pressing one button, or 10% for the whole party. Congratulations you may have spent 30 seconds spamming Cure I for 20% Recast for up to 6,630 MP (for level 60). Totally worth it.

Spear is basically free, Lilies aren't.

In Savage content healers have to plan their cooldowns to how damage in a fight pans out. WHM randomly getting a few seconds off their recast has 0 effect on how they use their abilities in fights that require them to be planned out. You simply cannot take RNG into consideration for planning out your ability usage.

EDIT #1: 1-3 Lilies is actually 4-10-20% Recast, not 4-8-12%. Not sure how that happened.

Originally Posted by Saigo

It's so funny to see how ppl cry for something they can't even test and deny completly all others aspect of the class with no clue of what the raids will look like in 4.0.

It's also funny to compare with Spear when Spear cost a card and a royal road and that's now free for WHM just by healing properly.

WHMs will be "viable" in raids. But that's looking at the job in the extremely narrow viewpoint of "can it clear?". In reality, WHM is more of a handicap right now because they offer nothing to the raid in any form of utility or synergy.
Meanwhile their new healing spells are all locked behind multiple layers of RNG, which are neither fun to get, nor satisfying to use, or even a reliable means of healing your party, which was supposed to be WHMs strongest point. Reliable strong healing.

And as a WHM main who has raised in savage, I can tell you right now that healing "properly" with the job does not consist of spamming Cure/II almost exclusively. In fact that's a good way to get you kicked from a raid.

In fact that's a good way to get you kicked from a raid.

As spamming Med2 braindedly will.

Anyway being behind other healer bother you ? Rerol or do your best to shut other ppl mouth but stop whining about the unfariness of classes (that havn't be tester yet) that's the case for every role to have someone "behind"

Originally Posted by Saigo

As spamming Med2 braindedly will.

Anyway being behind other healer bother you ? Rerol or do your best to shut mouth but stop whining about the unfariness of classes that's the case for every role to have someone "behind"

Yes, its true that there will be instances of 'being behind' in most cases. As in, yes there will be some dps that do less damage than others but in most cases you balance that out by giving them utility or something else to bring to the table to counter act that deficiency. Seeing as they have said WHM should be a 'pure healer' it stands to reason that they should have more healing output than the other two healers in exchange for having almost no raid utility. We won't even get into the flaws of this way of thinking right now because Square has always ignored logic in this regard but the fact of the matter is that WHH does not significantly outdo the other healers in any respect. Not utility and not healing.

Now, if the new mechanics were rewarding and fun, this would still be an issue but at least the class would have something new and interesting added that might make it enjoyable to play even if it is not optimum for late game. However, as things stand, neither the lily or the confession system offer anything to look forward to. Frankly they seem like tacked on RNG mechanics that most competent healers will be better off ignoring and that isn't really acceptable considering the whole reason we did not get another healer or tank is because this was supposed to be the expansion for balancing the existing ones. This isn't a case of a few individuals complaining on the forums or heralding doom. Commentators and those that got hands on time at the event have also posted vidoes etc about WHM and even those who have been polite about it seemed to come to the conclusion that there is no way it should be released as it stands and that major changes are required.

Edit (for those who don't get why a WHM would be upset about Cure/Cure II spam):

A WHM worth their staff (as far as I've ever known) will never be spamming those two abilities enough to make a 20% proc chance viable except for /maybe/ on the tank. Even then, regen helps to keep them topped of to some extent and it would still take far too long to gain lilies. If there is party wide damage coming, a good WHM will not wait for it to hit and then spam cures on each individual. They will, hopefully, look at possibly precasting Med II to negate some of the damage, following up with med I or Assize if they can't afford to let the hots do all the work. Tetra/Cure/Cure II can be used to bring someone back up after a targeted attack but in most cases, you have little reason to go around spamming cure of any kind on someone who isn't the tank unless people are botching up mechanics which, obviously, is not something we should be hoping for or basing a whole new system around. Perhaps I'm wrong there but it seems that many WHM's at least agree that they are doing something other than cure spamming as Square seems to think.

Bringing a potential problem to light -before- it has a chance to happen is, and will always be, better than waiting for the disaster to happen and then cleaning up the mess.

Woot so much a disaster not to be the BEST healer around but still efficient enought to made it with the non-true hardcore player that can't be worst than astro at 3.0

Let's be honest with the direction SE is taking with raiding content pretty much everything will be down with any comp (exept the new difficult that will require extremly good player and/or an optimised comp)

So funny to see so many protector of the weakest class in game when they're concerned but not before nor after for the future balance problem within Tank/DPS x)

Spamming Cure I and Cure II isn't healing properly as a WHM. You use Regen as your primary source of healing because of it being almost twice as MP-efficient as Cure I in potency.

Enought with this shty nonsense OFC every WHM that have a brain will drop Regen but you only spam regen ? No you drop it and then cure I and cure 2 they're to fil stop playing dumb or think a bit before saying shty nonsense. x)

12% CDR ? Source ? Cause actually everyone saying that 4%/10%/20% dude x)

while AST can get 20% recast just by pressing one button

And wasting it for other -better- purpose. Congratulation you have no idea of what you're talking about.

EVERYONE has to plan their CD during fight but when you have a brain you can understand that their is ALMOST NO situation where you'll need them ALL and that having CDR to have them up at other time is still usefull.

You remind me of a redit "PGM" that seems to think that everything can be planed before hand if that's true what the point playing instead of using a heal bot ?

Originally Posted by Saigo

12% CDR ? Source ? Cause actually everyone saying that 4%/10%/20% dude x)

Okay I made a mistake since I was info I thought was correct but the logic still stands. if you want 20% recast from your Lilies you need to spend a large amount of time and MP spamming Cure I to get what AST can get by just pressing Draw and Redraw if need, And AST probably wouldn't want to use Spear anymore since they can turn it into Extended RR or free damage/healing with Minor Arcana.

And I never said that you spam Regen, I said that you rely on Regen as a primary source of healing as it is more efficient than Cure I spam.