Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Hustensaft

The simplest way to fix it would be the radical one: Remove Medica and Medica II.

Ummm.. no. AoE heals are not redundant, the radius on cure III is really small. Besides, did you notice in the first page the argument that WHM already has over 10 spells/effects fewer than both AST and SCH? We can't afford to lose any more of our abilities let alone ones we actually use quite often.

Originally Posted by Hustensaft

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Look. Seriously. Your solution is not a solution. Cure III has its uses. It's radius is around a target, not the white mage and its potency is higher. It is a rather useful spell when you have lots of targets that need healing right now in a tight pack. Your solution is like going to a doctor because you're having a heart attack and the doctor saying "Right, let's remove your kidneys, because you're not going to need them soon."

There is nothing wrong with the whm's healing kit as it stands currently. Now, as you said, do we need more heals like our level 70 skill? Hell no. We don't. If anything that skill should be changed to give us something that we really need. And, if SE is willing, give us some more abilities to replace the ones we lost. I mean, wasn't this their excuse to SMNs all this time for not having more Egis? Oh, no SMNs. Sorry. We need to keep ability counts across all jobs to be the same or at least similar... so much for that idea.

Originally Posted by Reiryuu

There is nothing wrong with the whm's healing kit as it stands currently.

In my opinion, there is something wrong.

I'll be shifting to WoW shortly, as quite recently there were changes made to one of the healer class there: Mistweaver Monks had three "AoE" healing abilities.
One is a HoT that spread around the raid and had a cooldown.
One is a spammable AoE-Heal that hits three targets.
One was a spammable/channel AoE-Heal that hits six targets.

They channeled AoE-Heal for 6 targets was never used, because HoT and three target heal covered any sort of AoE healing needed.
How did they progress from there? They signficantly buffed the Healing of said heal, and gave it a cooldown. Having several spells for a certain type of healing isn't necessarily good.

While you said "Cure III serves a purpose on tightly stacked packs when you need a lot of healing", there one simple fact here: Every Healer has to be capable of healing every scenario.

If AST and SCH with their limited 6/7 spell toolkit have to be able to heal everything, WHMs toolkit of 10 spells is completely unnecessary, as anything past spell 6 offers no more benefit.
While SCH/AST now get utility/support spells for slot 7-10, WHM has 3-4 more healing spells, that do absolutely nothing.

A big fix I could see for making confession more viable is just to have it placed on the white mage instead of the target. If the stacks built on the healer, it would be much easier to keep track of/maintain them.

There is ofc the issue of regen and aoe heals not having the chance to build stacks, so these should certainly be considered, though I could certainly see lowering the chance of a regen doing so. Your long cooldown skill, I feel should have a much higher chance of it. Benediction should build full stacks in use.

A good way to motivate players to get and keep these stacks instead than burning them every chance, would be to add a healing potency buff to each stack. Being able to avoid needing Plenary would reward players by making their consistent heals better through built faith. With the recast time it wouldn't even be harmful to prevent stacks of faith from being built up again until the ability was back up.

For the lillies, one just huge thing sticks out: the inability to prevent the use of lillies. We need a separate button to decide when we want them used, rather than have them built up to use on one skill and accidentally blowing it on another. I foresee a lot of times where an assize eats stacks when they're intended for benison. On that note too, if holding lillies for specific uses or emergency moments becomes consistent, then so too should another chance for these lillies to actually be more than reducing the cooldown of an ability. The lillies could raise the potency of the skill they lower the cooldown for, or hold a passive buff like spell speed or healing potency when stocked and held onto.

With the loss of potency moving from divine seal toward largesse, white mage doesn't have anything in it's skill set that enhances its healing potency, so using one or both of their new stack types to raise potency until utilized would be a good thing to make up for the loss

Originally Posted by Hustensaft

As for counting abilities, let's count them properly, as in healing spells per class (stuff that restores HP):

WHM: 10 Healing Abilities
SCH: 6 Healing Abilities (Fairy AoE heal is counted, while the two buffs are not, just as Divine Seal and PoM isn't counted)
AST: 7 Healing Abilities (We count Celestial Opposition)

WHM has 3 or 4 more healing spells than either SCH or AST. You can not expect to use all of them.

I'm talking exclusively about spells that restore HP - and in that regard WHM is vastly ahead of both SCH and AST. In terms of total abilities, they might not be, but that doesn't matter here.

You're aware that they're billed as "PURE HEALERS". that's why they have more healing spells. We had 1 (or 2 if you count SS2) Shields, which we are losing to a gated Lily 1 person Shield.

You're really gonna bleeding nitpick over healing spells when anyone looking at the AST toolkit knows it's OverPowered? That it overshadows both the SCH and the WHM? No, this isn't even amusing.