Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Feidam]

I've seen a few discussions now about what white mages lost and some I agree with others I don't. SoS is one of them. The regen in the role skill is stronger than the old sos and makes me think Astro lost luminous anther and whm can now pick it up. some of the cross class skills everyone took were from white Mage base as they were the only healer you could start as so this was to be expected. Such as protect. All healers lost their esuna skill the role list. This not a whm issue. Eye for an eye was never a whitmeage ability it was always cross class for them. They did not lose eye for an eye scholars did. Every healer lost access To virus but the scholar is the one who lost the skill. Divine seal being removed and changed was shocking, but at least you still have access to it as a role skill.

The only complaint I can agree with is the disproportionate number of abilities per class. White Mage should not have less skills overall to bring to the table. I just don't think it is as large as some people are trying to make it out to be. This does not mean the white Mage doesn't need some love but an attempt to curb some of the hyperbole.

Edit. Stupid autocorrect making me sounds like an idiot. It is the bane of my existence.

[Risvertasashi]

I've seen a few discussions now about what white mages lost and some I agree with others I don't. SoS is one of them. The regen in the role skill is stronger than the old sos and makes me think Astro lost luminous anther and whm can now pick it up. some of the cross class skills everyone took were from white Mage base as they were the only healer you could start as so this was to be expected. Such as protect. All healers lost their esuna skill the role list. This not a whm issue. Eye for an eye was never a whitmeage ability it was always cross class for them. They did not lose eye for an eye scholars did. Every healer lost access To virus but the scholar is the one who lost the skill. Divine seal being removed and changed was shocking, but at least you still have access to it as a role skill.

The only complaint I can agree with is the disproportionate number of abilities per class. White hound not less skills overall to being to the table. I just don't think it is as large as some people are trying to make it out to be. This does not mean the white Mage doesn't need some love but an attempt to curb some of the hyperbole.

WHM actually looks relatively good on 2 fronts:
DPS (WHM looks to be the strongest DPSer single and AoE. SCH not only got an AoE nerf but its MP costs for DPSing went way, way up.)
MP management

If all things were equal, it wouldn't be such a bad patch for WHM. It's the Divine Seal nerf. It's losing access to skills that were inherent before because we don't have enough cross role slots. It's every single heal being weaker than AST's.
And then on top of all that, the utter irrelevance of the lilies system. You could delete it and it wouldn't be noticed. All this after being promised improvements to healer balance.

So not **everything** is bad... but that bad part is the fundamental, core aspect of the class, which if there's a problem there... extras like DPS and MP take a backseat.

[Feidam]

The heals being weaker than astrologian may have nothing to do with white Mage and everything to do with Astro being over tuned. Which means nerf for Astro not a buff to whm.

I agree the lily system could use some work, but with a play style adjustment I'm not sure it is as irrelevant as people say. I, however, have not played with it yet.

[Risvertasashi]

The heals being weaker than astrologian may have nothing to do with white Mage and everything to do with Astro being over tuned. Which means nerf for Astro not a buff to whm.

As they are both healers competing for relevance, it still matters. That is another comment: If power levels of healers were remaining about the same, it would be much less an issue; while not an improvement, WHM wouldn't be as threatened... but the power of AST and SCH are both considerably increasing, and so here we are.

[Feidam]

As they are both healers competing for relevance, it still matters. That is another comment: If power levels of healers were remaining about the same, it would be much less an issue; while not an improvement, WHM wouldn't be as threatened... but the power of AST and SCH are both considerably increasing, and so here we are.

You would work to knock Astro down a peg not make another class op. As for the scholar they lost a good bit too in terms of their dps. So a heal boost I don't think is unreasonable. I like all three healers, but Astro is a bit ridiculous and needs some reining in.

[Keridwyn]

This not a whm issue. Eye for an eye was never a whitmeage ability it was always cross class for them. They did not lose eye for an eye scholars did.

The reason we say we 'lost' it is because we no longer have the role slots to take it. We donated five skills to the role abilities, we get five role slots. We already have to give up one of our previous abilities to take Swiftcast so then we have to cut a second to use E4E. While dropping the new cleric stance is no hardship, cutting one of the other four kinda is.

[Feidam]

Which five skills? Cause shroud of saints was weaker than what you got back. I'm sorry this is not a loss for the whm. Divine seal yeah it was and everyone has a weaker version now. Protect yeah ya lost it, and I had hoped you get a utility in it's place but whm did not. Esuna everyone lost but I don't think is huge has esuna isn't needed at every fight or instance. Some nice flexibility there. Cleric stance yeah you lost it, but with the mid change it really isn't a loss. Really only lost two skills in the grand scheme of things. Protect and divine seal. Again I wish they had given something utility wise in place of that but they went for high dps and as your utility. This could be rectified maybe with some good constructive feedback since we know they are at least listening.

[Saraphin]

Which five skills? Cause shroud of saints was weaker than what you got back. I'm sorry this is not a loss for the whm. Divine seal yeah it was and everyone has a weaker version now. Protect yeah ya lost it, and I had hoped you get a utility in it's place but whm did not. Esuna everyone lost but I don't think is huge has esuna isn't needed at every fight or instance. Some nice flexibility there. Cleric stance yeah you lost it, but with the mid change it really isn't a loss.

i believe, overall, the issue is that the basic WHM toolkit was ripped away, yes some of the new ones are better and the MND to DPS instead of INT on spells may very well be good. The biggest thing is the rip away of the toolkit and...seemingly RNG to replace it.

[Feidam]

i believe, overall, the issue is that the basic WHM toolkit was ripped away, yes some of the new ones are better and the MND to DPS instead of INT on spells may very well be good. The biggest thing is the rip away of the toolkit and...seemingly RNG to replace it.

The rng could work with enough ways to generate the lillies. Keeping it on cure and cure 2 does seem a bit much.

The confession stacks could work beautifully too with a few tweaks.

[Keridwyn]

Which five skills? Cause shroud of saints was weaker than what you got back. I'm sorry this is not a loss for the whm. Divine seal yeah it was and everyone has a weaker version now. Protect yeah ya lost it, and I had hoped you get a utility in it's place but whm did not. Esuna everyone lost but I don't think is huge has esuna isn't needed at every fight or instance. Some nice flexibility there. Cleric stance yeah you lost it, but with the mid change it really isn't a loss.

We still have to buy them back with slots, be they better or worse. What you are suggesting is we can have E4E only when we don't need Esuna which is sad at best since we are already behind in base skills.

We need a few replacements and they shouldn't be RNG based. What has us angry is we lost too much for too little in return.