Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Deceptus

Says every healer. We all lost things. I play SCH, our Dots and AOE got GUTTED.

No, as the cumulative result of all the changes, WHM's three abilities down from every other Healer. They have actual gaps at level 6, 34 and 42 where they get nothing compared to the other two. Not only is it a problem for lower-level gameplay/progression, but it's going to make them harder to balance in the future.

The SCH AoE gutting could, conceivably, just be fixed by adjusting Potencies (something they've said that's almost certain) to the point where we can actually kill groups of enemies again. I hope they do that. I main SCH and dabble in AST. I'm concerned for WHM only in how it has the potential to throw off balance with the other Healers, along with making the addition of any new Healing Job a lot harder to balance.

But they literally need to add three more abilities to WHM to even get them up to par to the other two Healers, before you count the extra actions added by Pets/Cards. And adding abilities takes a lot more time than just tweaking Potencies.

The Pet/Card interactions are supposed to be what makes SCH/AST more complicated.

Not them having three less dead levels on top of their own systems.

I think MANY can agree that AST made out well (the new AOE, whine all you want, it's an amazing ability, even if you have to wait. your oGCD starts ticking the second you put it down, so waiting 10s? you still have it in under a minute and it's potency far outstrips what many healers theoretically can do now. the shields they get are insane 300% really? is the AST-baby trying to take everything away from SCH just like it's heals are now as potent as a WHM? just asking.) in Stormblood.

Did SCH DPS get gutted, yes. we can all see that. Did all classes lose something to the pool? yes. that was wrong. we didn't need those skills ripped (ANY of us).


AST-baby is now (and numbers have shown) just as good as SCH and WHM depending on their sect. From what i've seen in the media releases, there will be NOTHING that is going to require as much healing as the WHM will need to get lily stacks. They also now get a Skill that Does all their draw skills WITHOUT overwriting anything they're holding.

That said...SCH got gutted of it's DPS (one of the main reasons most brought a SCH along for 8/24man content) and WHM got...it's entire kit yanked away. The lily system, by numbers, has been shown to be D.O.A. over the course of things from 1.0 to now, WHMs don't use Cure 1/2 after they've become comfortable with the class. we try to DPS to help, use our oGCDs to heal up and use Cure 1/2 when necessary, but over 10 minutes, cure 1/2 is used...typically (Other than Baelsar's Wall...Evil, Evil Archers there.) at a very low rate.

I'm not saying Thin Air is not a good Skill, the CD is rather large on it. For those that say "well you should use it for raising" ...No, if people are dying that badly, that means that if it's a 1/2/5 or 2/2/4 party comp, the other healer was not helping keep people up OR if it's in a 4 man, the party got in over their heads and that means that the Raise will be interrupted because we're the last one standing. Thin Air Raise Spam will be, most likely, used situationally in an 8/24 man scenario and almost never in a 4man one (that i can foresee at this point) and if there is a Red Mage (who also has access, along with SMN and BLM to Lucid Dream/SoS) they will be able to raise far faster than a WHM with the Dual Cast system, it's been shown that they can raise 4 people in under 20 seconds. Red Mages, I commend you on this. Most of time, I will guess about 80% of the WHMs that currently play, will be using that for DPS.

So, to be blunt, not only did we lose a good portion of our Toolkit, but we're also giving it to our Caster Partners. Not saying this is a bad thing, but again, it was given to someone outside of healers (it will help SMN/RDM, i'm sure).

Now, moving along, Losing SS 1/2 for a 60s cooldown one, that appears to be gated behind Lilies...based on RNG. As many have said, Stoneskin was a situational use. When someone died, a Stoneskin could help them take less damage from Arena wide damage that was coming up, or they did add a bit of help in a12 (normal, i've not cleared a12s) during the Tank LB phase. I've run it on WHM, with a PLD and a SCH. the tank LB, Divine Shield, Stoneskin and Galvanize made it so we took a few...HUNDRED in dmg, instead of a massive blow. We tested to see the difference that no Stoneskin would make and it's a good chunk of HP (1-3K depending on HP of target).

Now, someone on the JP forums did the math and it boils down (with all class specifics) that WHM with the "changes" is 2/3 of a SCH, who's barely on par with an AST. Even then, the AST has been buffed enough that if you look, you've got threads in this forum where there at some AST Mains going "WHY!? we didn't need this!! WHY!?!?!" (paraphrased, obviously).

Change things. that's the only thing i can say. SE, Dev Team, you've got over 150 pages of input from not only WHM mains, but AST mains, SCH mains and MANY agree on three things: WHM was gutted, and you've half gutted SCH, while AST as gotten buffed, and buffed and is pushing out both SCH and WHM in everything.

Originally Posted by Deceptus

Says every healer. We all lost things. I play SCH, our Dots and AOE got GUTTED.

Your AoE was gutted, our class was gutted. We straight up have fewer abilities than you do before you even add in the utility abilities your fairy has. Don't get me wrong, I do feel for you those are some brutal dps cuts but your new abilities are actually useful to you and not just tacked on RNG that doesn't add anything.

Also AST lost nothing they can't get from Role abilities now except maybe Blizzard II.

My bad, rip Stella and Disable. You will be missed in PvP.