Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by IttyBitty

Remember that Stoneskin *already* stacks with SCH/AST shields. Benison is a joke.

Yeah, it's not terribly impressive with a 60-second CD and needing to consume Lilies that you may or may not have depending on the intensity of your Cure spamming and the favor of RNG, not to mention that the CD-reduction benefit of the Lily system competes for that same resource.

15% isn't bad at all, especially as HP values continue to rise, but on the other hand it's difficult to forget that 15% was the old value of WHM's now-lost Graniteskin and that Aspected Benefic cast by a Noct AST is 200 potency at 300% shielding, insta-cast, and on the GCD rather than a 60 second CD. No, WHM doesn't need to directly compete in the shielding department, but it sure as hell puts Benison in some perspective.

Mechanics tied to Cure:
Our new healing stacks tied to Cure I and Cure II I feel super sad pandas about this. In heavensward I can go entire dungeons without EVER casting Cure I or Cure II. Because Divine Seal, Regen, Medica 2's regen (for stacking hots on big pulls),Asylum, Tetragrammaton, and the rare time I weave a healing assize between my stone 3 spam, is wayyyy more than enough to heal any 4man, without susing MP in most cases AND many of these abilities are not on the GCD, allowing for more DPS globals. Not to mention we have benediction for those times I need tetra and its on cd. White mage is built in a nice way where all these abilities works extremely well enough to the point where hard casting cure I and Cure II is just not necessary unless players are just standing in all the bad things all the time. For this reason I hate that we have any new mechanics tied to cure. Why put a mechanic on an ability that is only there when absolutely everything else is on cooldown? Worse if its not guaranteed on casts

At least with Benison you can use it as an emergency absorb mid hit "good for something like the missile hits on a1s" or as an emergency "oh god he's super low, he needs something now!" which I mean, isn't that good when you have bene and tetra. Its kind of like they took stone skin and made it way easier to use and more flexible (albeit with a cd)

Originally Posted by Zolvolt

At least with Benison you can use it as an emergency absorb mid hit "good for something like the missile hits on a1s" or as an emergency "oh god he's super low, he needs something now!" which I mean, isn't that good when you have bene and tetra. Its kind of like they took stone skin and made it way easier to use and more flexible (albeit with a cd)

All true as far as it goes, but even then you may or may not have Lilies to use when you need them, especially if you are trying to leverage them to reduce cooldowns on other abilities.

Originally Posted by Zolvolt

At least with Benison you can use it as an emergency absorb mid hit "good for something like the missile hits on a1s" or as an emergency "oh god he's super low, he needs something now!" which I mean, isn't that good when you have bene and tetra. Its kind of like they took stone skin and made it way easier to use and more flexible (albeit with a cd)

It's funny because even in a case like that, you'll probably blow your lilies on Tetra/Asylum/Assize before the mechanic comes, and what did all that saving up and not using your own oGCDs get you? A 15% barrier. Just ask the damn AST to slap on their spammable 300% barrier instead, spare you the embarrassment.

Originally Posted by Caduagm

Deal with it, Scholars already have it if they want crit Adlo Deployment Tatics.

Crit or not they can still deploy a shield at any time. So can AST. WHM has lost that ability.

In any case, suffering shouldn't be a competition. No one is denying SCH got hit with nerfs in some areas - but this is a thread for discussing the problems with WHM. They exist, and the fact that they exist does NOT diminish the problems with SCH. Why are you acting like they do?

Originally Posted by fantasticm

Crit or not they can still deploy a shield at any time.

Yes they can succor, but that is their identity.

Originally Posted by fantasticm

So can AST.

Ok so we're talking about Noct AST+WHM? There's no problem there.

Originally Posted by fantasticm

They exist, and the fact that they exist does NOT diminish the problems with SCH. Why are you acting like they do?

They DO have, but we didnt hear any complain after whm having his spot guaranteed by 3/4 of Heavensward time until SE buffed balance.
Also just saying other classes are getting hit harder than WHM and we see few complainers about it.