Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Yhximott

You've suggested that we shouldn't complain about a perfectly broken and useless addition to our Job because RNG is involved

Wrong.
I have suggested that both systems, of lilies and confessions, are poorly thought out for the Job, and proposed ideas as to what I would think would make the situation better.
I have also suggested that it would be better to work together on creating solutions and fixes for the issue, rather than trying to be a jerk to someone because they joked around a bit before they were serious.
You're reading words into my post, based on someone else's misguided and overblown kneejerk reaction to a joke I made.

Nice try though.

Originally Posted by MintnHoney

You're reading words into my post, based on someone else's misguided and overblown kneejerk reaction to a joke I made.

Nice try though.

If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't be telling them in the first place. =p

Originally Posted by MintnHoney

Ironically, I think Divine Benison might have been been an attempt at using the Water element.. At least, it feels like it. If they would just increase it's efficacy, or ease of use, it could probably be a suitable replacement for Stoneskin, with a nicer animation and aesthetic.

Yeah it did look quite nice, certainly a lot more aesthetically pleasing than Stoneskin! Just hope it has a bit of a buff to make it more accessible. A shorter cooldown or a 10% party-wide barrier instead would be great perhaps.

I'm hesitant to even touch this mess this morning, but let's do bullet points.

- Are we really trying to debate the meaning of "efficiency?" I wasn't aware that this term was so subjective....

- Even taking into account logs with Cures for one Savage fight, has there been a coherent, compelling case for the Lilies etc.? What I'm seeing over the past few pages is largely non-sequitur ranting about DPS and debate about Cure usage.

Even if we end up casting 50 Cures in a fight, how relevant do we expect our flower power to be? Then what about the content where Cures are much less in demand? Again, the Lilies seem pretty crap no matter which angle you take.

In fact it's not that simple due to the lack of communication skill of some ppl.

"Efficiency" is the core of the debate but some ppl don't understand that "Efficiency" depends on the flow of the fight and not just about "time, mp or potency"

I Posted this twice now..... Efficiency can be demonstrated in several ways among which : Actual Output/MAX CAPABLE Output is one of the many measures of efficiency we can use.

effective potency/max potency = Potency efficiency....................

Originally Posted by javid

I Posted this twice now..... Efficiency can be demonstrated in several ways among which : Actual Output/MAX CAPABLE Output is one of the many measures of efficiency we can use.

effective potency/max potency = Potency efficiency....................

I think I get where you're trying to go with this, and you have a point as far as it goes, but I'm not sure why this is a talking point.

Regardless of which measure of efficiency you choose to focus on, there isn't really anything there that supports 4.0 WHM mechanics (specifically the Lily gauge) being very useful or desirable.

Originally Posted by Cynfael

Regardless of which measure of efficiency you choose to focus on, there isn't really anything there that supports 4.0 WHM mechanics (specifically the Lily gauge) being very useful or desirable.

you conclusion is invalid. One of the prevailing arugments on this forum is "IF SE IS DEAD SET ON MAKING A RNG PROC SYSTEM BASED ON WHM SKILL USAGE, why not make it proc off of regens and medica II's?"

And my posted answered that questions with why IT WON'T be on regen/medica II applications. Plainly b/c there are too few of them per fight by comparison to Cures I & II; Also in an early post I demonstrated why it would be even worst if they made it proc off of regen ticks (how abusive it could be and/or completely unoticeable by efficient play-styles). Hence the reason why it has to stay on Cures IF SE IS DEAD SET ON A RNG PROC SYSTEM BASED ON WHM SKILL USAGE.