Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by ToasterMan

Well think of it this way. Pretty much every wall that progression teams come across are DPS checks, not healing checks. Lets say your team happens to be stuck on one of these. Which healer would you rather have in your party. The one that can provide DPS buffs so you can finally clear that check, or the healer that's going to give you nothing more than over healing?

The choice is obvious

Again my personal opinion is they can use some utility and a good mechanic, but that does not preclude the fact that most of the people pooing the whm used them to learn content then dropped it later when on farm for a new meta. Developing for an ever shifting player meta is not sustainable for the devs.

Originally Posted by Feidam

We were not speaking of sastasha but raiding.

Exactly. You're seeing "WHM doesn't hold up in raids and we can't use it" and replying with "if WHM doesn't hold up in raids then don't use it." What does that accomplish?

Originally Posted by rainblack

Exactly. You're seeing "WHM doesn't hold up in raids and we can't use it" and replying with "if WHM doesn't hold up in raids then don't use it." What does that accomplish?

Uh no I'm not. I'm saying the whm is perfectly useable in all content. And was pointing out that the earlier individual even used them to complete the content the ditched them when their advantage was not suitable for the speed farm meta. Which showed my point that players are imposing restrictions or the class.

Originally Posted by Feidam

Uh no I'm not. I'm saying the whm is perfectly useable in all content. And was pointing out that the earlier individual even used them to complete the content the ditched them when their advantage was not suitable for the speed farm meta. Which showed my point that players are imposing restrictions or the class.

I've had to stop playing WHM because anything past void ark gets me votekicked from parties if I bring it lately. Whether it's because of the playerbase or the game mechanics, WHM is very much not usable in later content, and needs a buff and revamp before other players will even let you complete later duties with it.

Originally Posted by Feidam

Uh no I'm not. I'm saying the whm is perfectly useable in all content. And was pointing out that the earlier individual even used them to complete the content the ditched them when their advantage was not suitable for the speed farm meta. Which showed my point that players are imposing restrictions or the class.

Actually, we frequently switched between having a WHM and having an AST regardless of how far into the raid tier we were and just felt a sad sense of disappointment on WHM days.

What is with this absurd ideology floating around that White Mage is merely a "starting-class" or the training wheels of FF14's healers? If that was the case, why is it at level 70 in the next expansion along with every other job? Why doesn't it stop at, say, level 30, and the game force you to migrate to Scholar or Astrologian? It doesn't because it is MEANT to provide a unique and engaging playstyle and aesthetic to players of ANY and ALL skill levels, be they sprouts in a dungeon or raiders. It isn't about what the "simplest" healer is in the slightest, it is about how competitive they all are, or should be. Anyone who thinks or claims that White Mage should be treated as the "simple" or tutorial healer job is a fool. It should be designed with raiding in mind just as much, or if not more, than just casual content in mind.
No job will EVER be meant to be seen as a simple job compared to the others, so to those who are of that mentality I listed above ; do us all a favour and stop putting White Mage under that false bracket.

Originally Posted by Feidam

Again my personal opinion is they can use some utility and a good mechanic, but that does not preclude the fact that most of the people pooing the whm used them to learn content then dropped it later when on farm for a new meta. Developing for an ever shifting player meta is not sustainable for the devs.

I agree. A lot of people are suggesting dps utilities, but that's not whm thing, but meta aside the 4.0 whm got the worst improvements. Lily gauge needs to be built differently and used noticeably. Like adding effects to the skills that consumes the lily as well as the CD reduction.

Originally Posted by Vaelin

What is with this absurd ideology floating around that White Mage is merely a "starting-class" or the training wheels of FF14's healers? .

This. Yes it's the only healer you can start with, but it's by no means the "casual healer" or the beginning healer until you're ready to transfer to the "real" healers.
If that was the case, SE would lock them out of raids or not even bother with balancing them.
That also denying players an entire playstyle that they may really enjoy because SE randomly made them the only job not suitable for raids for whatever reason.