Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Jynx]

Here you go op. Here is a shiny gold star just for you for showing that nasty ol dps who has the god givin right to dictate the flow of the game.

I mean your the tank right? If people want to be able to play how they want they should all just play tank.

I'll put this right on the fridge so everyone can see how proud we all are of your accomplishments.

[Hyrist]

What really needs to be emphasized is the needs of the many above a few.

Again, no role gets to 'dictate' the pace of the run. Individuals that get particularly abusive, end up being pursued beyond simple kicks. GM reports and attempts to contact their FC leadership to inform them of the incident are not beyond the scope of actions can be taken against people who are especially bad, but these are the most outlining cases - not situations in which people simply disagree as to the purpose of a role, as we have here.

In the end, this thread serves as an example why Duty Finder and pick-up groups are viewed with caution, if not with outright negativity.

OP - You were as much in the wrong in this particular case as the pair you complain about. Silent rejection is not an appropriate response, and treating rudeness with rudeness in kind is just pouring fuel on the fire.

Joining a party means accepting a duty to communicate and work together. This succeeds all assumptions as to the purpose of your role.

[Waliel]

Well, as a tank you're intended to determine what should be pulled and when it is pulled, no?

The game is sort of designed that way O.o. it's the tank's job.

What is a tank's job? Their job is to keep aggro, initiate mob pulls, soak up damage from aggro'd mobs.

So I am entitled for choosing to not kill optional mobs, when it's my role to make that choice in the first place? Okay then....

About forty or more other similiar things.

Technically tank's only job is to keep the bad guys off of everyone else. Tank pulling them just makes it easier to start doing that job. There is no job in this game that is "built to do pulls".

Did SE not build tanks to be the best suited to pulling?

Just to play devil's advocate, you could argue that tanks are the worst at pulling; Shield Lob and Tomahawk only have 15yd range compared to 25yd of every dps skill and using Provoke to pull is just stupid. Well, I guess Monks would be worse.

In reality, though, there is no situation where you just can't run in and hug the mobs, so it doesn't really matter.

This thread certainly was an entertaining read.

[Hyrist]

Here you go op. Here is a shiny gold star just for you for showing that nasty ol dps who has the god givin right to dictate the flow of the game.

I mean your the tank right? If people want to be able to play how they want they should all just play tank.

I'll put this right on the fridge so everyone can see how proud we all are of your accomplishments.

I have... interesting memories... of being issued gold stars on forums.

Probably not my proudest of moments. I still retain the utter lack of shame on the Hyrist character proper though.

[Anemone_Valesti]

- Lulz no one was doing their fucking job xD
- OP Entitlement Lvl is off the Charts...need moar charts
- OP Keeps missing the Irony which is also Lulz

OP, being the tank means you tank, it does not mean you alone get to decide the pace of the run. You're showing yourself up as a complete hypocrite in criticizing someone for wanting to run the dungeon in a certain way and then going on to do it however you want.

The pace of the dungeon is set by the majority decision of the party. I frequently have groups discuss and decide this amicably at the start of a dungeon.

The title of this thread is incredibly ironic though. Entitled DPS? More like entitled tank with a superiority complex...

Alberel Run! Get out! you're wasting your time here. 15 Pages and it still flies over the OP's Head xD.

And to keep it short (Not Really) regarding the pace setting of the run...The overall pace is determined by the entire team, and any part of the Trinity (DPS/TANK/HEAL) have the ability to cause shit to hit the Fan (Becomes extremely clear in Final Coils, though we're just talking Dungeons here x3)

- DPS Decides "Nope" During a Tank Mass Pull ? GG Rip to Tank, DPSing Healer and eventually the Entire Team
- DPS Decides to Slow down DPS During a Tank Mass Pull (Since We're talking about Dungeons and not DPS Check Content and also Autoattack is a thing) ? GG Rip to Tank and DPSing Healer and eventually the Entire Team because You will either run out of MP Solely Trying to heal the Tank as the Mobs slowly dwindle down or you'll try to get the Mobs down with your DPS, sacrificing some of your heals only to be followed up with a floor planted Tank.

It's Obvious how The Healer and Tank Part plays into the equation, but many people downplay the DPS Part and I find that oh so hilarious. You can gather all the Mobs you want and have a beast ass healer, but if the DPS's decides they don't like the shit that the Tank or Healer is dishing out? Rip x3. " Hey I can Overgear and everything will be fine " Dun Sync would like a word with your ass. You may be able to pull alot of shit together, but its the DPS that decides " Hey Imma Triple Flare " or " AoE " To burn them down before it all becomes wreckage on the Healers MP. It's the Healer that determines " Hey, Im going to Holy/DotsBane while making sure the Tank don't die " To speed things up.

Sad that DPS accepts this behaviour because the demand for tanks far exceed their own so they turn their head and pay no mind to how Important they are to the Trinity. Long Queues are Real =(. I don't even see Entitled Tanks...just Entitled People

[Skivvy]

If they can type out "no skipping anything," they can type out something nicer but similarly short and sweet.

"Can we do a full clear?"
"Can we kill all mobs?"
"Kill all for xp?"
"Kill all mobs please?"
"Full clear please?"

Those all convey the same idea, but in a more respectful way. It's a matter of treating the other person like... well, a person. Asking nicely is more likely to get you a positive response than treating someone like they're there to serve you.

I tried to reply last night, but I was actually out of forum posts! (lol, that hasn't happened since I was brand new!) D:

I do completely agree with you on this point. You will always catch more flies with honey, but even still, we don't know the true tone of how he was saying it (or if that is truly how it happened at all).

None of us are perfect, and we all have our off-days where we just take things wrong and and react poorly. I guess the difference with me is that had I acted like the OP, I would have been horribly embarrassed by my behavior, and there is absolutely no way I would have come onto the forums to complain about it. But instead they come on here trying to garner support for their bad behavior, and are still taking no responsibility in how it turned out.

Someone else's bad attitude does not excuse your own.

[Ashkendor]

Faster queue times isn't a licence to treat people terribly. That's just individuals with poor attitudes taking advantage of a limited report system and the Tank shortage.

I can't imagine treating players that way on my Warrior. I'm sorry this sort of attitude is just deplorable.

Makes me hope there's a large bandwagon of those hopping on Dark Knight that weren't tanks before and stick with it.

Neither is the fact that you've set in the queue for 30+ minutes. A few people in this thread have cited that as a reason that DPS are more entitled to act entitled than tanks and heals. That's... kinda silly. As a DPS, I'm happy just to get into an instance with the queues being what they are. If I want fast queues, I go tank or heals. *shrugs*

As far as DRK, you'll see an initial rush as people level it, but most will probably go back to their mains.

Honestly, I just see a breakdown in communication in the OP. The bard should've been nicer. The OP should've responded better to his rudeness. I get that the initial knee-jerk reaction to someone being an asshole is to do exactly the opposite of what they demand of you, but it doesn't help you get the instance done. Personally, I would've commented on his rudeness to see if it'd make him step back a notch. If he had more rudeness in store, vote kick is an option if I'm in there with a friend. Odds are that once he's gone the healer will leave anyway and we can either wait a few minutes, ask friends from linkshelles/static, or bail and hopefully get someone more agreeable when we requeue.

Someone else's bad attitude does not excuse your own.

Pretty much. By the same token, I don't expect anyone to just sit back and let someone treat them like crap though.

[XgungraveX]

As far as DRK, you'll see an initial rush as people level it, but most will probably go back to their mains.

nah i pretty much made of my mind and making machinist my main when heavensward drops, i mean it sucks that i got my war fully decked with 130i gear and the zeta weapon.... oh well :/ ill use that job for fast que to hit tome caps.

[Seiryuukishi]

I am not going to lie here. I didn't read the entirety of the OP nor all comments there after. But from what I did read of both I can say this much:

1. Stalemate caused by opposing bodies caused stupidity to flourish.
2. What should've happened was one group or the other leaving said instance thus leaving the group remaining sucking their thumbs wondering why they're idiots.
3. No role is entitled to anything, period, end of story.
4. Seems like your "rebellious streak" caused you more grief than what you bargained for. Hope the headache was worth it.
5. As has been stated multiple times already, both parties were WAY wrong. If that needs explaining I can't help you.

I don't understand why people get upitty when people do not phrase things the way they want it. If they wanted to be rude about it they could've gone about it in a different fashion other than even bothering to even say they wanted a full clear or in this case "no skipping anything". Sure a please could've been tacked on the end of it but that doesn't mean they were being hateful from the onset. Fact is from the moment that showed up in the chat box you wanted trouble and you got it. So in the end you got what you paid for. You ignored the request and went on without even saying "Is everyone ok with that?" or even "Can I get a please?". So they took it upon themselves to do what they came to do.

Now you claim abuse after the fact. That won't work because had you even responded even in a condescending manner at the beginning you may have had an argument. So you offer a compromise once you realize they won't conform to your wishes. Which got you as far as two year old trying to throw Mount Everest. Now you're locked in a stalemate because you cannot go any further without a healer and they cannot go further without a tank. All this because you didn't take the time to type out a few words at the beginning.

The DPS in question, could've acted better too. But after what you pulled I can't say I blame him/her much. It was still childish though. There are better ways of handling things than acting like a child when another child acts up.

TL;DR Tell me again who is the entitled one?

[Kikoten]

I haven't tanked for very long, up to about level 27 as a MRD, but I learned a few lessons in my short time of tanking. Like what to do when a DPS wants to run ahead of me and pull optional groups.

The way I see it is if a DPS wants to pull so badly, let them pull. I'll try to draw aggro off them, but they'd best keep in mind that if they die or cause a wipe, it's their own fault and not mine. If you're a DPS or healer, pull at your own risk. And if they don't like the fact that I have that mentality, they can go ahead and kick me from the group. I'll find another one, while they'll be stuck waiting for another tank.