Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Hyrist]

Faster queue times isn't a licence to treat people terribly. That's just individuals with poor attitudes taking advantage of a limited report system and the Tank shortage.

I can't imagine treating players that way on my Warrior. I'm sorry this sort of attitude is just deplorable.

Makes me hope there's a large bandwagon of those hopping on Dark Knight that weren't tanks before and stick with it.

[Arixtotle]

I would just like to point out that tanks do not control the pace of the dungeon; healers do. Tanks are supposed to only pull what a healer can heal through. The amount of hate they can hold effectively is secondary.

People forget what the main part of every role is though. The base aspect of every role is to make the lives of the other roles/people in the dungeon easier. Everything else is secondary. Before anyone starts telling me I'm wrong I want them to actually think about the roles and how they effect other players. All roles have a symbiotic relationship and all are important.

[Stupiduglytaru]

Tbh until stone vigil everything can be tanked by a melee, during leveling mnk I tanked brayflox cutters etc countless times god bless join in progess

If 3 out 4 are there for xp its only fair to do that

[Theonekitten]

When I tank, I ask before we start "Do you guys want a full clear or just nice and quick?" I usually get a good response and we go on with no issues. I have had dps pull mobs that I didn't pull and when that happens if it isn't part of the group I was going to pull anyways, then I won't flash or provoke the mobs. If the mobs were aggroed by accident, I will grab them, no biggie. When I'm healing on my whitemage and dps start running ahead of the tank, I will say "I go with the tank, if you go ahead and pull mobs, and if the tank isn't grabbing them, then I'm not healing you because I don't want to pull threat off of you."

[Alberel]

OP, being the tank means you tank, it does not mean you alone get to decide the pace of the run. You're showing yourself up as a complete hypocrite in criticizing someone for wanting to run the dungeon in a certain way and then going on to do it however you want.

The pace of the dungeon is set by the majority decision of the party. I frequently have groups discuss and decide this amicably at the start of a dungeon.

The title of this thread is incredibly ironic though. Entitled DPS? More like entitled tank with a superiority complex...

[Anemone_Valesti]

- Lulz no one was doing their fucking job xD
- OP Entitlement Lvl is off the Charts...need moar charts
- OP Keeps missing the Irony which is also Lulz

OP, being the tank means you tank, it does not mean you alone get to decide the pace of the run. You're showing yourself up as a complete hypocrite in criticizing someone for wanting to run the dungeon in a certain way and then going on to do it however you want.

The pace of the dungeon is set by the majority decision of the party. I frequently have groups discuss and decide this amicably at the start of a dungeon.

The title of this thread is incredibly ironic though. Entitled DPS? More like entitled tank with a superiority complex...

Alberel Run! Get out! you're wasting your time here. 15 Pages and it still flies over the OP's Head xD.

And to keep it short (Not Really) regarding the pace setting of the run...The overall pace is determined by the entire team, and any part of the Trinity (DPS/TANK/HEAL) have the ability to cause shit to hit the Fan (Becomes extremely clear in Final Coils, though we're just talking Dungeons here x3)

- DPS Decides "Nope" During a Tank Mass Pull ? GG Rip to Tank, DPSing Healer and eventually the Entire Team
- DPS Decides to Slow down DPS During a Tank Mass Pull (Since We're talking about Dungeons and not DPS Check Content and also Autoattack is a thing) ? GG Rip to Tank and DPSing Healer and eventually the Entire Team because You will either run out of MP Solely Trying to heal the Tank as the Mobs slowly dwindle down or you'll try to get the Mobs down with your DPS, sacrificing some of your heals only to be followed up with a floor planted Tank.

It's Obvious how The Healer and Tank Part plays into the equation, but many people downplay the DPS Part and I find that oh so hilarious. You can gather all the Mobs you want and have a beast ass healer, but if the DPS's decides they don't like the shit that the Tank or Healer is dishing out? Rip x3. " Hey I can Overgear and everything will be fine " Dun Sync would like a word with your ass. You may be able to pull alot of shit together, but its the DPS that decides " Hey Imma Triple Flare " or " AoE " To burn them down before it all becomes wreckage on the Healers MP. It's the Healer that determines " Hey, Im going to Holy/DotsBane while making sure the Tank don't die " To speed things up.

Sad that DPS accepts this behaviour because the demand for tanks far exceed their own so they turn their head and pay no mind to how Important they are to the Trinity. Long Queues are Real =(. I don't even see Entitled Tanks...just Entitled People

[Seiryuukishi]

I am not going to lie here. I didn't read the entirety of the OP nor all comments there after. But from what I did read of both I can say this much:

1. Stalemate caused by opposing bodies caused stupidity to flourish.
2. What should've happened was one group or the other leaving said instance thus leaving the group remaining sucking their thumbs wondering why they're idiots.
3. No role is entitled to anything, period, end of story.
4. Seems like your "rebellious streak" caused you more grief than what you bargained for. Hope the headache was worth it.
5. As has been stated multiple times already, both parties were WAY wrong. If that needs explaining I can't help you.

I don't understand why people get upitty when people do not phrase things the way they want it. If they wanted to be rude about it they could've gone about it in a different fashion other than even bothering to even say they wanted a full clear or in this case "no skipping anything". Sure a please could've been tacked on the end of it but that doesn't mean they were being hateful from the onset. Fact is from the moment that showed up in the chat box you wanted trouble and you got it. So in the end you got what you paid for. You ignored the request and went on without even saying "Is everyone ok with that?" or even "Can I get a please?". So they took it upon themselves to do what they came to do.

Now you claim abuse after the fact. That won't work because had you even responded even in a condescending manner at the beginning you may have had an argument. So you offer a compromise once you realize they won't conform to your wishes. Which got you as far as two year old trying to throw Mount Everest. Now you're locked in a stalemate because you cannot go any further without a healer and they cannot go further without a tank. All this because you didn't take the time to type out a few words at the beginning.

The DPS in question, could've acted better too. But after what you pulled I can't say I blame him/her much. It was still childish though. There are better ways of handling things than acting like a child when another child acts up.

TL;DR Tell me again who is the entitled one?

[Jynx]

Here you go op. Here is a shiny gold star just for you for showing that nasty ol dps who has the god givin right to dictate the flow of the game.

I mean your the tank right? If people want to be able to play how they want they should all just play tank.

I'll put this right on the fridge so everyone can see how proud we all are of your accomplishments.

[Hyrist]

Here you go op. Here is a shiny gold star just for you for showing that nasty ol dps who has the god givin right to dictate the flow of the game.

I mean your the tank right? If people want to be able to play how they want they should all just play tank.

I'll put this right on the fridge so everyone can see how proud we all are of your accomplishments.

I have... interesting memories... of being issued gold stars on forums.

Probably not my proudest of moments. I still retain the utter lack of shame on the Hyrist character proper though.

[Hyrist]

What really needs to be emphasized is the needs of the many above a few.

Again, no role gets to 'dictate' the pace of the run. Individuals that get particularly abusive, end up being pursued beyond simple kicks. GM reports and attempts to contact their FC leadership to inform them of the incident are not beyond the scope of actions can be taken against people who are especially bad, but these are the most outlining cases - not situations in which people simply disagree as to the purpose of a role, as we have here.

In the end, this thread serves as an example why Duty Finder and pick-up groups are viewed with caution, if not with outright negativity.

OP - You were as much in the wrong in this particular case as the pair you complain about. Silent rejection is not an appropriate response, and treating rudeness with rudeness in kind is just pouring fuel on the fire.

Joining a party means accepting a duty to communicate and work together. This succeeds all assumptions as to the purpose of your role.