Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Adire]

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Allow me to clarify this further.

I did respond to his demand, by choosing to not pull extra mobs and by talking to him. He responded to my saying that we needed it done ASAP by saying that he would just pull mobs on his own anyways, and the healer would let me die if I didn't go along with them.

I was contemplating doing as they wished even after the demand. That's why I asked him to AoE. Clearing every trash in the dungeon without any aoeing would take an insanely long time, and there was no way I was going to clear all the mobs for him AND greatly increase the time it took to finish the dungeon, to the detriment of my friend myself even further. AoEing would have been a compromise essentially.

He responded to me asking him to aoe by saying "i have one aoe, thank you and goodbye" and refusing to do so. More rudeness on his part.

You are missing the irony of calling the dps entitled for wanting to full clear when you don't want to, but saying you are not entitled for wanting to speed run when they don't want to?

Did you miss the part of my post that says there was a tie? Was I wrong for playing my job as I wanted to play it, given that fact?

The alternative would have been to nullify my own vote and tank as he wanted me to tank. How is that any better in a tie? Refusing to give up your right to do your job as you please during a tie does not = entitled...

[Verdan]

As long as the first step was communication rather than passive aggressive action, then you're in the clear. But this is not some sort of insurmountable problem, you guys just had different ideas about how to do the dungeon and it's not like it needed to be a big deal.

[Zaft]

If you don't like what the tank wants to do, you can kick them. Otherwise, the tank gets to drive and you're just along for the ride. If you're dead set on doing a dungeon a certain way, don't use DF, use PF. That's one of the reasons it exists.

[Adire]

If you don't like what the tank wants to do, you can kick them. Otherwise, the tank gets to drive and you're just along for the ride. If you're dead set on doing a dungeon a certain way, don't use DF, use PF. That's one of the reasons it exists.

Thank you for being one of the reasonable people here.

Gods forbid a tank be allowed to decide how mobs should be pulled, despite that being a large part of their role. Even more so when it's a tank and a DRG vs a healer and a BRD.

Apparently the healer and the brd should get the final say so xD

[SummerSkye]

If a healer doesn't want to do a speed run. As a tank...you are not doing a speed run, believe me. Nowhere in your "job description" does it say you have a right, as a tank, to unilaterally decide for the group how the dungeon run is going to be pulled. As a matter of fact, if the two DPS want a full clear and the healer does not care...you are obligated, as the minority, to clear the whole dungeon for them (or ditch the group I guess).

How ironic that the OP complain about the DPS being "entitled" when it is the OP, itself that is coming across as the entitled one.

[Adire]

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/facepalm

More people not reading...

ONE dps wanted exp. TWO people if you count the healer. 2 is not a majority in a 4 man. Me and my friend wanted a run without optional mob kills. And I've already said numerous times that if people ask me, not demand of me, or if I'm outnumbered, I go with the flow or leave.

And the healer had no problems with a "speed run", or did not say anything about having problems with it. She wanted all mobs killed.

Not to mention, this was in DD...the crystal buff makes an overgeared tank practically indestructible unless you pull all the first rooms at the same time, which I didn't.

[StouterTaru]

And the healer had no problems with a "speed run", or did not say anything about having problems with it. She wanted all mobs killed.

Part of the definition of a "speed run" is skipping optional mobs. It's not just pulling large groups and locking out trash at bosses when you can.

There. was. no. majority.

That means run pacing is rightfully up to the tank, due to it being most related to their job.

So the tank is entitled to break the tie?

[Adire]

Part of the definition of a "speed run" is skipping optional mobs. It's not just pulling large groups and locking out trash at bosses when you can.

So the tank is entitled to break the tie?

The post the first quote was directed towards was one obviously focused on the increased damage taken during a speed run.

And nice try, attempting to spin words that make your position look favorable.

If they are "entitled", SE gave them that entitlement due to how tanks are designed. Are they not the best equipped to pull mobs?

I think people understand what you are saying, and have sympathy for your situation. But I think people are against your idea that Tanks are the elite sole jurisdiction when it comes to making all the decisions that should be made by the whole party.

I believe people are getting the wrong idea then. Not surprised given how clear it is that some haven't even read much into this topic.

I do not have that idea that "tanks are the elite sole jurisdiction".

I have said several times, and I'll say it yet again:

If people outnumber me who want exp, I will do a clear or leave.

If people ask me nicely and the majority doesn't have a problem with a clear, I will do a clear or leave.

And I have yet to leave. In every situation so far, I have done the clear over leaving.

If there is a tie between interests, I will do what I want if I am the tank. If I am not the tank, I leave it up to the tank. I do not go and pull mobs as a dps or healer like a child, because it's clear from the way that the roles are designed that that is intended to be done by tanks.

[StouterTaru]

Refusing to give up your right to do your job as you please during a tie does not = entitled...

Then how is he entitled if he played his job the way he wanted to?

[Adire]

Then how is he entitled if he played his job the way he wanted to?

.....because he wasn't the tank? A dps pulling mobs and a healer refusing to heal when they know it isn't their job to do that and ordering/forcing the tank to do as they want when it's the tank's job to pull mobs is pretty entitled, lol...O.o.

That would be like a WHM refusing to heal and ordering a SMN to heal because WHM can do better AoE damage...

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And are people still not understanding that this group was deadlocked in a tie?

There. was. no. majority.

That means run pacing is rightfully up to the tank, due to it being most related to their job.

Last I checked, it wasn't common practice or commonly accepted for dps to gather up mobs when there is a competent tank present...

I'm pretty sure SE agrees with me. There's a reason why DPS who do that tend to end up kissing the floor.