Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Adire]

I got bad news but you are coming off as entitled yourself. Yes, tanks are the bus driver in dungeons runs but they also need to listen to the entire party about the direction to take, more so when it's lower levels for experience points. I wasn't there so I don't know the story except what you bring so yes, the dps could have been more polite in asking for running the complete dungeon. If you couldn't run the entire dungeon you should have explained why instead you ended up just having a bad time.

Please re-read my post..I'll sum it up for you though:

One dps needed experience. His healer friend was supporting him, though she did not need experience.

Me and my friend did not need experience.

So I am entitled for choosing to not kill optional mobs, when it's my role to make that choice in the first place? Okay then....

Perhaps I am wrong for choosing to make my tank vote be the tiebreaker. Guess my friend and I are not equal to the other guy and his friend in value.

[Dyvid]

Please re-read my post..I'll sum it up for you though:

One dps needed experience. His healer friend was supporting him, though she did not need experience.

Me and my friend did not need experience.

So I am entitled for choosing to not kill optional mobs, when it's my role to make that choice in the first place? Okay then....

Fine, bottom line is two people of the party ask you to clear the dungeon and you ignored them because you and your friend didn't. DPS and healer got upset and decided to pull extra mobs because you didn't listen to their needs. You ended up having a bad run. He could have been nicer and you could have spent the extra 10 to 15 minutes helping them out. The entitlement attitude was on both sides. /thread

[Adire]

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I did not ignore them. I chose to not do what they wanted. And again, they did not ASK. They DEMANDED. It was 2 vs 2, I was the tank, my job dictates that I determine mob pulls. I apologize if doing my job and using it as the tiebreaker means I'm entitled.

Someone had to get their way, and someone wasn't going to get their way. I was the tank, pacing was my job, there was a tie, so I'm pretty sure that that gives me the right to fairly determine if I do my job how I want or how someone else wants.

I'm sure you'll get likes on your comment though. Sensational posts seem to often prevail here.

[StouterTaru]

So I am entitled for choosing to not kill optional mobs, when it's my role to make that choice in the first place? Okay then....

You are missing the irony of calling the dps entitled for wanting to full clear when you don't want to, but saying you are not entitled for wanting to speed run when they don't want to?

[Lexia]

Please re-read my post..I'll sum it up for you though:

One dps needed experience. His healer friend was supporting him, though she did not need experience.

Me and my friend did not need experience.

So I am entitled for choosing to not kill optional mobs, when it's my role to make that choice in the first place? Okay then....

Perhaps I am wrong for choosing to make my tank vote be the tiebreaker. Guess my friend and I are not equal to the other guy and his friend in value.

Well you are calling them entitled and saying their rights don't trump others but the same time sounding even more entitled then them cause you are the tank (bus driver of the dungeon)

[Fynlar]

Totally with the OP on this one.

Whoever pulls determine the pace of the run. And it just makes most sense for tanks to be doing that.

If you are not the tank and you want to suggest a pace for the run, do it politely and I'll almost certainly listen to what you say unless extraneous circumstances require otherwise. Otherwise, I'm going to ignore you, or if I'm feeling particularly irked, I'll just do the opposite of what you say simply to spite you.

For what it's worth, I've had way more healers try to dictate my pacing rather than the DPS, so this isn't strictly a DPS thing.

If a healer doesn't want to do a speed run. As a tank...you are not doing a speed run, believe me.

If a healer is both A) being bossy about what kind of run they want and B) deliberately taking action to try to get the kind of run they want (either by running ahead of the tank and pulling mobs, or by just standing there and not healing), that constitutes as harassment/"AFK" to me and if you're causing party wipes that way it will generally not be hard to get the DPS to pass a vote to kick you.

This is all assuming, of course, that the tank isn't being a dipstick himself and is actually properly gauging his party's capabilities before attempting to pace beyond their means.

[BristolRuss]

One dps needed experience. His healer friend was supporting him, though she did not need experience.

Me and my friend did not need experience.

So I am entitled for choosing to not kill optional mobs, when it's my role to make that choice in the first place? Okay then....

Perhaps I am wrong for choosing to make my tank vote be the tiebreaker. Guess my friend and I are not equal to the other guy and his friend in value.

So you saw that someone needed the experience but you chose not to help, even though they requested it? That's nice. Sure they could have asked nicely. But they did ask. It doesn't matter if it was a tied vote or not; the point of sub-50 dungeons is for levelling up and you refused to help someone do that because of your belief that tank opinions are worth more than DPS. Calling them entitled? That's the pot calling the kettle black. The princess part of your character name is very apt.

[Adire]

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They didn't ask. They demanded. There is an immense difference. If you have the same reaction to someone who demands of you vs one that asks of you, good on you, but I don't and for good reason.

And for the billionth time. I did not refuse to help them. I offered him a way to get his full clear, I offered him a compromise. I asked him to AoE, not demanded him to, so that it wouldn't take forever for us to complete the dungeon. And he said no and that he and his healer would force us to do it 100% their way.

I know, I know. I'm a terrible person for wanting to get 10% of what me and my friend wanted while giving him 90% of what he wanted. Asking him to press his one AoE button is asking so much while we clear the whole dungeon for him in the meantime.

There are multiple points to sub-50 dungeons. Leveling up is one use of them. Grand Company quests, which is why we were there, is another. One person wanted a full clear because they wanted extra experience, one person wanted that person to get their full clear though they did not need the experience, and two people wanted it done ASAP. What gives someone in there for one reason more of a personal value than someone who is in it for another?

When tanks' jobs are to pull mobs, yes, their opinions on pulling mobs carries more weight in a tie. If you disagree, please explain why tanks are considered by the community and made by SE to be the go-to mob pullers.

You won't see anything other than what you're looking for in my post though and will continue to assume assume and assume about me as a person and ignore things I've said, like that I am more than happy to clear if treated like a human, so I'm wasting my time I'm sure.

[Intaki]

They didn't ask. They demanded. There is an immense difference. If you have the same reaction to someone who demands of you vs one that asks of you, good on you, but I don't and for good reason.

"no skipping anything" is not necessarily a demand. It can be interpreted as one, but that depends entirely upon an assumption of tone. It's not coded politely, sure, but it's a largely tone-neutral statement.

You acted like a child perceiving a slight, so don't get mad when people treat like a child for throwing a tantrum and escalating the situation.

[GenJoe]

"no skipping anything" is not necessarily a demand. It can be interpreted as one, but that depends entirely upon an assumption of tone. It's not coded politely, sure, but it's a largely tone-neutral statement.

You acted like a child perceiving a slight, so don't get mad when people treat like a child for throwing a tantrum and escalating the situation.

I for one, am glad that we're past the days of Diablo II where trading meant shoving an item in people's faces and saying
"need?"
"how much?"
"xx SOJ"

Nuances are very important in personal interaction, I don't blame OP one bit for taking offense to an uncouth oaf unable to articulate speech beyond that of what a 2 year old can.. Only case I make exception for that is when I can obviously tell the person simply is not an English speaker, then I don't mind.. But if you speak the language, there's no excuse to speak like a caveman (a typical portrayal of.. anyway).

I do not understand why people insist on insulting my character by using my OP when I did not insult anyone's character in particular.

Well, truth be told, you did just lump up a large portion of the player base into one group
Even with the Entitled qualifier there, I guess it hits home pretty hard to some and divides up the people into groups (DPS/Healer/Tank)
In either case, some people will be bitter over anything and everything just because they can. Myself included sometimes.