Removing elemental nukes from WHM

[Altena]

For the nine billionth time, >>>CONJURER<<< is not a "healing class."

>>>White mage<<< is a healing job, which happens to use Conjurer as its base class.

Conjurer is a basic job that can (and hopefully will) branch in other directions. You're asking SE to take those possibilities away.

What part of that is so hard to understand?

I could say the same to you..

I have already stated that
a) Yes CNJ is a mage with nukes & heals. It is not a main healing class
b) CNJ it is a class
c) It does branch into another job that happens to be a main healer.

The advanced job turns CNJ into a strong healer, but does not gimp to any extensive level, WHM's ability to be a DD. In fact it has been said & proven in this thread by many people (a topic that I didn't get involved in because it was a derail) that WHM is actually a more effective solo nuker then CNJ with the addition to Regen.

No one uses the class system currently. If you still used CNJ in patch 1.23 to solo or nuke, then you are effectively gimping yourself.

I am not against changing the class system so that they become useful again at all, however I am against certain elements being tied up into a main healer job (ie WHM) which will indefinitely be gimped due to the fact they will not ever be able to be as strong as a main nuking class - otherwise that would cause an imbalance.

At the moment - WHM is pretty broken, in comparison to other jobs.
You can spiritbond your unfinished relic solo in just a few hours, when other jobs spend a solid day on it.
That isn't broken? Ok, then it's a great solo class... It can also push some heavy nukes when the time calls for it (against wind/stone weak mobs), and main heal a full party of 8.

Remember we are talking about White Mage here, not Conjurer.

CNJ has always been semi-broken, and the nerf in the job patch removed some of that over-power. In the early days, CNJ could solo Dodore . . .

Two thing we can agree on I am sure is:
BLM is currently strong at doing ranged magic damage. (nothing else).
WHM (or CNJ) is currently fairly strong at solo'ing, exceptionally good at main healing, and reasonably solid nuking.

If you don't see an imbalance here then I don't know what else to tell you.
The fact is yes, you are indeed gimping one half of the elemental chain if you were to keep the utility based aero/stone/water on WHM.

These utility spells will never be as strong as a BLM nuke.
These spells are bound to half of the elemental chain.
This means that only half of the chain will be effective.
If they were to expand on CNJ or WHM's ability to nuke, that would push us back to an even more overpowered job then it currently is.

Yes WHM/CNJ is overpowered. It should never have the same or even similar capability to BLM in regards to a nuking job.
Yes it needs to have the ability to solo (hence the light based nuke suggestion).
Once again, forcing half the elemental chain on a job that should be a weaker nuker than BLM, will cause only half of the chain to be unbalanced and gimped. This effectively ruins the whole elemental chain.