Removing elemental nukes from WHM

[Alhanelem]

BLM can be made more powerful without the cost of crippling CNJ/WHM's solo capability. The class/job would be a nightmare to level solo. Since you can't immediately change classes at the start of the game anymore, it's important to preserve that, lest some new player gets stuck with CNJ being horrendus at soloing and being forced to search for a buddy before he/she can level at all.

[Altena]

BLM can be made more powerful without the cost of crippling CNJ/WHM's solo capability. The class/job would be a nightmare to level solo. Since you can't immediately change classes at the start of the game anymore, it's important to preserve that, lest some new player gets stuck with CNJ being horrendus at soloing and being forced to search for a buddy before he/she can level at all.

Because soloing with Light magic would be sooooo much slower then Aero/Stone

*facepalm*.

Why do so many people get the impression that the intention is to remove WHM's source of damage when 90% of my posts are basically saying that WHM would not lose any form of damage capabilities if they were simply .dat swapped and given different names. . . .

[Kinseykinz]

because I said so...

Being a jerk to everyone doesn't make your points more valid. If you find Black Mage so gosh darn boring to play...for the Twelves sake, DON'T PLAY IT!

[Altena]

Being a jerk to everyone doesn't make your points more valid. If you find Black Mage so gosh darn boring to play...for the Twelves sake, DON'T PLAY IT!

Nice, a personal attack.

I am a jerk because my opinions aren't yours by the sounds of it, as I have done nothing apart from disagree with the points you have attempted to make.

Playing BLM in content because it is optimal, is a bearable reason to play it, despite it being a boring job.
Is there something wrong with improving a boring job? It is pretty widely known to be boring. A lot of people think the job is boring, and facerollingly easy to play.

[Alaltus]

Nice, a personal attack.

I am a jerk because my opinions aren't yours by the sounds of it, as I have done nothing apart from disagree with the points you have attempted to make.

Playing BLM in content because it is optimal, is a bearable reason to play it, despite it being a boring job.
Is there something wrong with improving a boring job? It is pretty widely known to be boring. A lot of people think the job is boring, and facerollingly easy to play.

If you find spamming thunder nukes boring then i doubt you will be satisfied with having the other nukes either. As they are likely to just be used in the same way, thunder weak mob, spam thunder, stone weak mob spam stone. The mechanics don't change at all if anything you get more intrenched in the boring mechanics you say are boring. You can remedy this a little by adding spells that have utility uses (uses no good for spamming) effective on end game bosses. Preferably not on Black Mage's elemental nukes also.....

So for example what would help Black Mage switch things up in a fight would be spells like:

Bio~ Non elemental/Poison Elemental Nuke with Poison/Sap add effect.
Stun~ Stuns the enemy.
Blind~ Blinds the enemy.
Poison~ Poison's the enemy.
Curse~ Reduces the enemies attack stat.
Toad~ Turns the foe into a useless toad.
Break~ Petrifies the enemy.

All these could break the elemental nuke spam cycle, though i won't argue how broken they could be depending how they were implemented. I'd argue Black Mage should be more powerful, but take more hate because the way things are now Black Mage can sit in the background spamming nukes with little skill needed to evade aggro. Not helped by them having access to archer -emnity skills and freeze in its current form.

[Alhanelem]

Because soloing with Light magic would be sooooo much slower then Aero/Stone

*facepalm*.

Why do so many people get the impression that the intention is to remove WHM's source of damage when 90% of my posts are basically saying that WHM would not lose any form of damage capabilities if they were simply .dat swapped and given different names. . . .

Because my post was totally directed at you *facepalm*.

There are people in this thread who want WHM to not be able to cast damage spells at all. That is who this post is directed at. Of course, another poster above pointed out how rude you've been in this thread and how you're not really getting the context of other people's posts.

Summoner cannot even use Carby irc.

Incorrect. All jobs get all the abilities of the class they're based on.

[Shougun]

Incorrect. All jobs get all the abilities of the class they're based on.

In the past yes, but I'm pretty sure there was a dev post saying that summoner will not get Carby - which means they are introducing the mechanic that not all class spells go to the job owner.

Hopefully, the restrictions will enable CNJ, and the other classes, to excel at...something. There is absolutely no excuse for classes being completely abandoned in favor of jobs for ALL content. Why should we even have classes if there is no use for them, other than leveling?

I believe this was the point yes, to make it so classes have their own unique distinctions (and then perhaps allowing jobs to have more of one too..) But I cant remember "when" I heard that so I'd be finding a needle in a stack of needles to find the quote lol.

Edit: nevermind google magic and I found the needle - look below :P

[Bowen]

Ramuh isn't going to be a huge issue. MNKs can just FoE while CNJ/WHMs use Stone/Stonera. Who cares if BLM/THM isn't viable for one fight? It is stacked in jus about every other, so I think that it is fine that way.

You aren't concerned about what is good for WHM/CNJ, you are concerned about what you want for BLM/THM.

[Altena]

Ramuh isn't going to be a huge issue. MNKs can just FoE while CNJ/WHMs use Stone/Stonera. Who cares if BLM/THM isn't viable for one fight? It is stacked in jus about every other, so I think that it is fine that way.

You aren't concerned about what is good for WHM/CNJ, you are concerned about what you want for BLM/THM.

Elemental fists were getting removed, IIRC according to Yoshi in one of the live letters.

As I stated, this thread is about 2 things, and 2 things only.
Making BLM less boring to play.
Fixing the elemental affinity.

WHM is well and truly unaffected in terms of functionality. They can and would still be able to heal, solo and nuke on the same level.

[Jinrya-Geki]

White mage stepped out of the kitchen, and the black mage wants it's sammich. The unfortunate part of it is, white mage took half of it.