Removing elemental nukes from WHM

[kazaran]

You're kidding right? Spamming thunder was your only joy. Except against trash mobs.

[Radacci]

BLM has become to weak, that's the issue. It's basic a thunder mage.

It needs the elmetntal balance. WHM and the lore are light based. BLack mages use dark arts and the elements... right now both jobs are a mess, not following story line, and lore.

THe other issue is available jobs out of THM.

WHM only has heals, buffs and Holy. the rest is from...CNJ!
BLM only has Element skills, and sleep, convert. the rest is from THM!
The problem is that Jobs have to few skills, and rely on other classes.

[Reika]

WHM only has heals, buffs and Holy. the rest is from...CNJ!
BLM only has Element skills, and sleep, convert. the rest is from THM!
The problem is that Jobs have to few skills, and rely on other classes.

The error here is that THM is the one with fire ice and lightning magic (tho it shouldn't be that way) and BLM only really learns the ancient magic. The heals are mainly fron CNJ, and WHM only lears Regen and benediction. Jobs learning only 5 more skills was one of the major errors in 1.0. You cant majorly separate the class from the job with 5 measly skills, and no new traits. I think if the Job portion was avaliable by at a lower level, such as 20, and jobs had their own skills spells and traits that were avaliable at level up, while the class had different ones, the system would have been a lot better and the class other than THM wouldn't have become un-used and unimportant.

A THM would still have scourge, poison, and bio - basically what it use to have. if you switch to the job at level 20, some of those become unusable and instead, the first elemental spell you learn at lvl 20 becomes usable, then another one at 22 and another one at 24 - in perfect time for the lvl25 dungeon.

Or, you can stay as THM and continue to use dark spells, as well as still have the sacrifical heal spells and ressurect usable. Now THM and BLM are totally different, and one doesnt simply replace the other. They would have different traits, different spells, different playstyle. I would like to see this out of all the classes and jobs.

They can also go deeper into the classes lore and have AF and relics for them. While WHM has a WHM Relic that increases the damage of Holy and things specific to being a good healer, CNJ could have a relic that does things specific to CNJ and being a better elementalist for the 3 elements it has.

[Firon]

BLM has become to weak, that's the issue. It's basic a thunder mage.

It needs the elmetntal balance. WHM and the lore are light based. BLack mages use dark arts and the elements... right now both jobs are a mess, not following story line, and lore.

THe other issue is available jobs out of THM.

It was a thunder mage in XI also whats your point?

[fusional]

It was a thunder mage in XI also whats your point?

nevermind the fact that you bought like 200 spells you never ever used- the point is... you had them! just in case! and that makes all the difference!

[kazaran]

IF you played BLM as a thunder mage in XI, you played poorly and wrong. There are many isntances lightning based spells did no good, and you need to know your element tree, how to cast one element first to lower the mobs resistance to the next, to increase damage. There are many times Fire was stronger, and others where wind based were.

WHM is light based, BLM is element based. IT isn't balanced right now. THey awknowledged that, and hopefully will address it. BLM are pure DD, as as such, need the ability to control high damage, and elements against specific mobs (since that is being introduced again).

WHM shouldn't be acting like a scholar class. Even tho a weak form. IT should have light based, with a couple potent light based spells tossed in.

[fusional]

oh, i get it. you're confusing difficulty/depth with strength/potential.

then just to be clear- being so easy you can headbutt your keyboard to do fair DPS doesn't mean the class is weak. they're two completely different things.

and anyway, i refer you back to my "you realize...?" post on page 14 in answer to BLM lacking depth.

[fusional]

so, you're running with the assumption that the only classes/jobs that will see any work in 2.0 are the ones they've specifically commented on primarily because they want to change how the job works?

(in other words- this is a safe bet that the FUNDAMENTAL WAY BLM WORKS [ie: castz tha spellz omg] won't change in 2.0- but this doesn't mean NOTHING ABOUT THE JOB WILL CHANGE)

and in those "tons of videos" of whm/arc/lnc you, i don't know, didn't notice anything new or different?

and, you know, you're not maybe possibly forgetting that we had videos of those three classes and not others because that's what was available in alpha?

but, you know. black mage gonna get hosed omg omg. and, you know. making 247 (expletive deleted) threads about the subject is supposed to remind them NOT TO FORGET ABOUT BLM? just in case they were going to? even though they're redesigning everything else, somehow, BLM...

yeah okay. ooooookay.

[Antonius2004]

You know what I think would be great for all classes and jobs, okay we know that at some stage after the launch of ARR we'll be having a cap raise, so, for each class and job make every skill learn't after lvl 50 class exclusive and job exclusive, meaning that for say Cnj and Whm, Cnj will be able to use all of it's skills up to 50 and past 50, whilst Whm could only use Cnj's skills up to lvl 50, from that point on Whm could get more of it's own exclusive abilities and with there being no new Cnj skills to apply there'd be room for Whm's new moves.

My grand idea would be to have Cnj from lvl 50 onwards learn it's own exclusive skills whereby only Cnj can equip them, whilst Whm would continue evolving it's own skillset. This idea would leave room for the exclusive abilities, allow each job and it's associated class to grow their own personality so to speak and become much more diverse than Whm just being an extension of Cnj.

[Reika]

You know what I think would be great for all classes and jobs, okay we know that at some stage after the launch of ARR we'll be having a cap raise, so, for each class and job make every skill learn't after lvl 50 class exclusive and job exclusive, meaning that for say Cnj and Whm, Cnj will be able to use all of it's skills up to 50 and past 50, whilst Whm could only use Cnj's skills up to lvl 50, from that point on Whm could get more of it's own exclusive abilities and with there being no new Cnj skills to apply there'd be room for Whm's new moves.

My grand idea would be to have Cnj from lvl 50 onwards learn it's own exclusive skills whereby only Cnj can equip them, whilst Whm would continue evolving it's own skillset. This idea would leave room for the exclusive abilities, allow each job and it's associated class to grow their own personality so to speak and become much more diverse than Whm just being an extension of Cnj.

What would be better is if they went back further, to like..... lvl 20 (I said this already)