#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Lorika]

Okay so you got a bad healer, literally what relevance does this have to healers being bad to play in a general sense

For every bad healer there is also a bad DPS and a bad tank

Do you go onto BLM suggestion forums and go “acshooly sweaty I got a BLM that stood in AOE’s yesterday so BLM should be made into SMN 2.0 so that these terrible BLM players stop dying”

Oo

I know english isn't my native language, but even so... I think it was sarcastic and ironic enough to be understood XD

[Edit]
1) Can you stop being aggressive please.
2) I'm the HEALER.

[Supersnow845]

Oo

I know english isn't my native language, but even so... I think it was sarcastic and ironic enough to be understood XD

[Edit]
1) Can you stop being aggressive please.
2) I'm the HEALER.

If you are the healer then come right out and say it because you’ll get a far more positive response from people on here if your point is “hey guys I see you are discussing the idea of making healing harder and more in depth but I personally believe the current level of healing is enough because it plays to my current skill level. If the level of healing is increased I may struggle to heal effectively”

That’s a perfectly valid stance and one I can totally see

Beating around the bush with a vague story of a poor healer ruining your roulette ironically made your point weaker than just coming out and saying you are content with the current level of healing

[Lorika]

I will say it again : Stop being aggresive please.

And : don't put words in my mouth please....

Now i will be also agrresive : boy, even if my english is not good, try to use your brain a little before attacking people.

[Supersnow845]

I will say it again : Stop being aggresive please.

And : don't put words in my mouth please....

Now i will be also agrresive : boy, even if my english is not good, try to use your brain a little before attacking people.

Asking you why you chose to write a vague story about a healer who wasn’t good enough rather than saying you struggle with current healing is not being aggressive, it just adds nothing your point

The former can be dismissed as a pointless anecdote (which is exactly what I did, that first response was agressive and I’ll apologise for that) the second is a representation of your own experience which you can use to discuss with others and help them understand your stance

Nobody is going to sit here and call you garbage for struggling, people will offer you advice or explain why their particular stance wouldn’t exclude you, it’s how discussion is generated

[PercibelTheren]

You know how this type of behavior goes IRL?
They show you the way out in a rought way and then they apologize for the annoyance and ask people to ignore the nonsense "thoses peoples" were spouting.

Literally the worst thing they can do to you is ban you from the chat of whichever streaming service you're watching on.

[PercibelTheren]

I have had plenty of healers in game not heal at all when they are supposed to. Like raid wides. Don't act like healer players are saints and go at DPS and Tanks like this. Healers may be dumbed down but clearly people still don't know what healing is and instead cast more glares. This strike is going no where if players who play the jobs can't even do basic functions as it is now.

Nobody is saying healer players are saints. Nobody is saying no healers are ever bad. What we are saying is that the rest of them shouldn't be punished for those people. You could give some players a button saying "instant heal for 100000 potency" and they would still fail to cast it.

HOWEVER the same thing goes for every DPS and every tank. I could tell you about all the Paladins I've run into who only use their single target abilities in dungeons. Or the ice mages. Or the glamourai who literally managed to deal less damage than our White Mage. They have plenty of players who suck at their roles as well but somehow nobody is calling for them to be dumbed down. In fact, VPR losing its DoT caused a fairly sizeable uproar.

[Tigore]

@Supersnow845

I remember talking with Lorika. We were talking about how bad the phone translators sometimes handled the English and Spanish language. She seems to agree with you on increasing the encounter damage to require more healing. As well as probably re-adjusting the strong tank and DPS self heals down. There is just a difference of opinion that she wants the increased healing to be top priority over more DPS buttons rather than equal or lower priority. Anyways ...

Looking at her post on the last page, it was just meant to be sarcasm about how it's "always the healer's fault" when the tank or DPS obviously flubbed the vuln stack mechanics. It was meant to add to the posts saying all the healers get witch hunted for just a few bad healer experiences but "no one" bats an eye at the bad DPS. More than likely, she is talking about the ones who are greeding too much and didn't bother to try getting out of the orange or green tornado's path.

[Supersnow845]

I understood the original post to be sarcasm initially which is why I sassed back but then the edit confused me when she said “I’m the healer” as if she actually meant that she was discussing her own poor performance as a means of representing reducing healing needed

If the entire comment chain from her was designed to be read sarcastically then I missed the point in translation and I apologise, I’m honestly just really really sick of the whole “I got one bad healer one time so stuff your entire role”

[Aravell]

I'm a perfect example of why you should *want* the veterans healers still playing the role by giving them something they'll actually enjoy, instead of expecting/demanding that non-healer/DPS mains should "role flex" and pick up the slack, because we *will* end up a menace in your queues.

I actually find it weird that people have these 3 facts:

1) A group of long time healers say they will no longer be healing in DF.
2) A group of people who don't really play healers say they will be filling those queues to spite the leaving long time healers.
3) Many people report an increase in bad healers found in DF.

Then they come to the conclusion of "All these bad healers are the healer strikers who are showing that they can't even heal casual content, so the healer role should stay simple."

I think the distance of the leap of logic here would win a gold medal in the Olympics.

[Tigore]

For Supersnow845 on the first line:

I see. The BLM being made to SMN 2.0 post was sarcasm from you as well? At first, I thought it was a more direct response to Lorika at the time. Hopefully everything will be alright now that everything is cleared out.

Others have reported to me that we had less experienced healers during the beginning of Dawntrail releasing too. I think I already said it before here that I was a bit puzzled hearing from my friends, "Thank God we have an actual healer with us," as I was levelling WHM. One of our DNCs was even saying they had to cover for the lack of heals with Improvisation on one of the levelling dungeons around 95 I believe >.> I will probably just make an exception with friends to queue with like for the map parties (different topic there with low portal rates). So far, I have just been SAM for the Expert roulette. I will try to get the materia from spirit bonds, Expert 4 man chests and hunts for the moment instead of those levelling bribe bags.

I have definitely seen my fair share of bad play on all 3 roles during my time in FF14 and Warcraft. I have had very arrogant players from Warcraft in the past to contend with. Long story short, it has left me with a partial aversion towards solo queuing DF as a tank. The DPS making suicide pulls thinking they don't need anyone, then blaming the tank for their stupidity tended to be the most common reason. Although I have run into other tanks in LFR (easy mode Alliance raid) treating their co-tank like an obstacle or ghost because they wanted to hoard all the aggro / enmity to cash in as the "God of the parse" with the OP Vengeance mech from Mists of Pandaria.