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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    Oh hey, another preachy person who has Shiny New Class Syndrome, coming to tell us how horrible it will be for us that they make our DPS queues shorter. Oh no, how horrible. They really got us this time, guys!

    By the way, Ria, let us know how things are going when you've played Sage at max level in current content, for a bit, will you? You literally don't have a single healing job leveled to 100, so you coming here calling us whiny is quite hilarious. Just another entitled tank/DPS main, as usual.
    I mean, they are a learning healer, as shown by the thread in healer subforum asking for learning advices for SGE and is leveling one currently. I'll commend them for doing that much because typical Sylphies never even reach that point.

    That being said... give it time Let that WAR/PLD told them to not heal because these chonky heroic tanks will do the job/play the game for them. Let their party finish a dungeon without them from 90% when they f*ck up something. Let that tank yell at them for even trying to GCD heal. Let those RDM/SMNs steals their raises. Let that 1 hotkey wears out from overuse. Let that--- *cough*

    Oooh~ the list goes on lmao.

    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    [...]It feels good to drag back the team from the brink of disaster by keeping your head cool and running triage. Maybe my brain is just broken from having mained healers in MMOs for years but these situations are what I used to love about the role. They made me feel something other than boredom.
    Don't worry, you're not alone there. This is exactly why I loved to force the ivalice/nier raids to pop simply because they don't happen quite often and there's often something going wrong - and I know I can fix them by keeping myself calm & collected, choosing the right tools to drag the clown fiesta to the finish line. It's something that's been missing from a lot facet of healer's gameplay.

    Now, does these situations imparts great deal of stresses to the non-healers within the same clownfest of a duty? Oh certainly, to a varying degree depending on each players. This is merely one aspect that makes player a healer enjoyable. What would happen if everybody knows what to do? Nothing. So... can we actually get to have fun in these situations? Y'know... maybe upkeep certain buff? debuff? utility? not just 'more dps options'? Instead of spamming 1 button 90% of time ad nauseam on any healers? Oh oops, apparently asking for all of that is also illegal for the 3rd rate citizens lmao sorry.

    People shouldn't be surprised with the outrage given there's a lot double standard going on here. They deserve all these flaks and I have no sympathy for these job devs.
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    Last edited by Rein_eon_Osborne; 09-28-2024 at 07:23 PM.

    "Outside obvious jokes/sarcasm, I aim to convey my words to the future readers who may come across mine posts. Can I change -your- mind, somehow? Potentially... but that's not why I'm writing. You and I have wrote our piece(s). We don't necessarily need to change each other's mind. But we can change other's."

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    Lily Jun
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    I don't know what you mained but sage is awesome. I love it and I'm not even kidding. I have no idea what all this whining is about aside from the fact it's people who should just be playing a different job .
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by RinaB View Post
    I don't know what you mained but sage is awesome. I love it and I'm not even kidding. I have no idea what all this whining is about aside from the fact it's people who should just be playing a different job .
    Me personally I find SGE boring because it’s a clone of SCH with an even lower skill floor than SCH already has. It’s kinda flashy I’ll give it that but to me it’s boring because it just plays like a worse; but smoother SCH and I don’t even like modern SCH that much compared to its old iterations
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Exactly. So play something else. Let the people who enjoy healing heal. How do you know you're not the best samurai ever?
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    Zaytex Zanshin
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    Quote Originally Posted by RinaB View Post
    Exactly. So play something else. Let the people who enjoy healing heal. How do you know you're not the best samurai ever?
    ''Let the people who enjoy healing heal''

    Except, you're not really healing, are you? Pulling up my AST's logs from a FRU clear I did the other week, who got 90+ I can see that they pressed 315 GCD's of combust and malefic (286 malefics to be precise) and 33 casts of GCD healing (mainly just helios + conjunction).

    Yet, those healing GCD's were only possible because FRU has downtime so healers can GCD heal freely with no DPS cost. But even so, 90% of this AST's GCD was purely for damage - yet the toolkit for damage on healers is beyond basic, boring, non-complex and mind numbingly bad.

    This is why healer is the least played role because people would rather (like me, I gave up with healing and I main healer in every game I've ever played but ff) just play an actual DPS or even tanks with a fun rotation.
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    Lucaon Soho
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaytex View Post

    This is why healer is the least played role because people would rather (like me, I gave up with healing and I main healer in every game I've ever played but ff) just play an actual DPS or even tanks with a fun rotation.
    For you, and how you feel. Stop referring to the we when this is about you. Who is we?????

    Every single MMO that I played which had the holy trinity had a shortage of tanks and healers. It has little to do with the lack of damage or how much healing they do, it is not about whether it's a simple class or complicated, most don't like to be responsible for others and enjoy seeing big numbers.

    BTW, I also second it. If you don't like how healers are in this game don't play them. Easiest solution ever. No class can cather and satisfy everyone. some will like, some will not. Such is life, a tragedy leading to a singular end.
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    Yasu Naoya
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    Malboro
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RinaB View Post
    I don't know what you mained but sage is awesome. I love it and I'm not even kidding. I have no idea what all this whining is about aside from the fact it's people who should just be playing a different job .
    Reading is important, but I don't blame you for not wanting to read 900+ pages of a thread.

    There is, however, a summary and bunch of links on the first post explaining the issue with healers. I guess that was too much of a difficult task to do too?

    My friend has played SGE since EW release, and while she enjoys it much more than any other healer, after years of playing she agrees healers are boring irregardless of what you do. She did the ultimate, she did savage, her opinion doesn't change: healer job is horrendous.

    I told her myself "if you see you don't enjoy it anymore, why are you still playing healers?" her answer usually results in "I've always played healer" and I understand that sentiment as well.

    You can play a healer role and still hate what it has become.
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