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  1. #9291
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    Gullis's Avatar
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    Gullis Hil
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    Twintania
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RinaB View Post
    You signed up as a healer. Heal.
    yeah that's the thing, a lot of the time, there is nothing to heal
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    Last edited by Gullis; 09-28-2024 at 06:15 PM.

  2. #9292
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    Rehayem's Avatar
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    Yasu Naoya
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    Malboro
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RinaB View Post
    I don't know what you mained but sage is awesome. I love it and I'm not even kidding. I have no idea what all this whining is about aside from the fact it's people who should just be playing a different job .
    Reading is important, but I don't blame you for not wanting to read 900+ pages of a thread.

    There is, however, a summary and bunch of links on the first post explaining the issue with healers. I guess that was too much of a difficult task to do too?

    My friend has played SGE since EW release, and while she enjoys it much more than any other healer, after years of playing she agrees healers are boring irregardless of what you do. She did the ultimate, she did savage, her opinion doesn't change: healer job is horrendous.

    I told her myself "if you see you don't enjoy it anymore, why are you still playing healers?" her answer usually results in "I've always played healer" and I understand that sentiment as well.

    You can play a healer role and still hate what it has become.
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  3. #9293
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    Allegor's Avatar
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    Red Rider
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 90
    Yall realize you're responding to someone obviously just stirring the pot, right? I mean, good for them for keeping the thread up, but you might as well be arguing with a wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  4. #9294
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Yall realize you're responding to someone obviously just stirring the pot, right? I mean, good for them for keeping the thread up, but you might as well be arguing with a wall.
    That should have become obvious the moment they pulled out the "You want to be black mages that heal" line.
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  5. #9295
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    GartredZW's Avatar
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    Gartred Runecaster
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    Diabolos
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Yall realize you're responding to someone obviously just stirring the pot, right? I mean, good for them for keeping the thread up, but you might as well be arguing with a wall.
    What is a wall good for if not a useful place to plaster messages on?
    It's like a strawman you don't even need to make yourself.
    (1)

  6. #9296
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    PercibelTheren's Avatar
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    Percibel Theren
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Aidorouge View Post
    I grabbed a spoon and held my nose to finish getting SGE to 100 by doing an Alliance Raid roulette recently, got Weeping City of Mhach, and was immediately reminded of why I have so much anxiety over this role with the amount of people in my party (myself included) that ended up repeatedly dead. That poor AST with me had to hard carry us all, and I'm pretty sure the 2 SMNs with us did more Raises than I did, lol.

    I'm a perfect example of why you should *want* the veterans healers still playing the role by giving them something they'll actually enjoy, instead of expecting/demanding that non-healer/DPS mains should "role flex" and pick up the slack, because we *will* end up a menace in your queues.
    No need to be anxious. Everyone has to learn at some point.

    Now, I can only speak for myself here, but The Wiping City of Mhach is one of my favourite alliance raids specifically because it can go horribly wrong. It feels good to drag back the team from the brink of disaster by keeping your head cool and running triage. Maybe my brain is just broken from having mained healers in MMOs for years but these situations are what I used to love about the role. They made me feel something other than boredom.
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  7. #9297
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    Percibel Theren
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RinaB View Post
    As a new sage player who is gonna main it I think everyone here is a whining bitch who needs to play another job but doesn't have the guts to do so. I like the down time, it allows me to dps abs get addersgall stacks. I run with pugs so it's always a challenge and i get comms out the ass because I prioritize healing over dps. Isn't that crazy? How dare i. Go on your strike. I'm enjoying my insta queues
    Oh hey, another preachy person who has Shiny New Class Syndrome, coming to tell us how horrible it will be for us that they make our DPS queues shorter. Oh no, how horrible. They really got us this time, guys!

    By the way, Ria, let us know how things are going when you've played Sage at max level in current content, for a bit, will you? You literally don't have a single healing job leveled to 100, so you coming here calling us whiny is quite hilarious. Just another entitled tank/DPS main, as usual.
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  8. #9298
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    Tigore's Avatar
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    Tigore Collson
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    Ultros
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RinaB View Post
    I feel the whining has been ignored by the devs for so long because it's ridiculous. You want to be black mages with your healing kit. You signed up as a healer. Heal. If hour static knows everything and you're bored who's fault is that. Play a dps.
    Another go for the benefit of the doubt, but yeah. It's a good idea to read the counter points from your opposition before diving into the offensive of a debate.

    The healers posting here are more asking for something comparable to a tank rotation. Maybe 2 - 3 extra buttons for it? A few healer spells will need to be consolidated to make room for it. If more healing is needed from unavoidable damage, that could help with seeing GCD healing usage. The expected DPS numbers should remain close to the same to a bit lower under high healing situations. So essentially, it is a request for more variety of animations to see on the class. The Dosis spam will always be there, but it is currently raising to around 80% of GCD usage levels from the graphs shown from Savage runs. Pretty high for just 1 button.

    Some of your arguments are not making sense too. You are encouraging us to try the DPS role, then shaming us for not playing the healer. Kind of need to decide which statement is more important to say. In any case, I already said that I am DPSing in Expert roulette as a SAM. I also use Tengetsu and Feint to help reduce damage taken. We keep hearing SAM should use them before they get the Kaiten animation back but it seems rare anyone ever notices when I do it. Similar case for Addle as well.
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  9. #9299
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    Oh hey, another preachy person who has Shiny New Class Syndrome, coming to tell us how horrible it will be for us that they make our DPS queues shorter. Oh no, how horrible. They really got us this time, guys!

    By the way, Ria, let us know how things are going when you've played Sage at max level in current content, for a bit, will you? You literally don't have a single healing job leveled to 100, so you coming here calling us whiny is quite hilarious. Just another entitled tank/DPS main, as usual.
    I mean, they are a learning healer, as shown by the thread in healer subforum asking for learning advices for SGE and is leveling one currently. I'll commend them for doing that much because typical Sylphies never even reach that point.

    That being said... give it time Let that WAR/PLD told them to not heal because these chonky heroic tanks will do the job/play the game for them. Let their party finish a dungeon without them from 90% when they f*ck up something. Let that tank yell at them for even trying to GCD heal. Let those RDM/SMNs steals their raises. Let that 1 hotkey wears out from overuse. Let that--- *cough*

    Oooh~ the list goes on lmao.

    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    [...]It feels good to drag back the team from the brink of disaster by keeping your head cool and running triage. Maybe my brain is just broken from having mained healers in MMOs for years but these situations are what I used to love about the role. They made me feel something other than boredom.
    Don't worry, you're not alone there. This is exactly why I loved to force the ivalice/nier raids to pop simply because they don't happen quite often and there's often something going wrong - and I know I can fix them by keeping myself calm & collected, choosing the right tools to drag the clown fiesta to the finish line. It's something that's been missing from a lot facet of healer's gameplay.

    Now, does these situations imparts great deal of stresses to the non-healers within the same clownfest of a duty? Oh certainly, to a varying degree depending on each players. This is merely one aspect that makes player a healer enjoyable. What would happen if everybody knows what to do? Nothing. So... can we actually get to have fun in these situations? Y'know... maybe upkeep certain buff? debuff? utility? not just 'more dps options'? Instead of spamming 1 button 90% of time ad nauseam on any healers? Oh oops, apparently asking for all of that is also illegal for the 3rd rate citizens lmao sorry.

    People shouldn't be surprised with the outrage given there's a lot double standard going on here. They deserve all these flaks and I have no sympathy for these job devs.
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    Last edited by Rein_eon_Osborne; 09-28-2024 at 07:23 PM.

    "Outside obvious jokes/sarcasm, I aim to convey my words to the future readers who may come across mine posts. Can I change -your- mind, somehow? Potentially... but that's not why I'm writing. You and I have wrote our piece(s). We don't necessarily need to change each other's mind. But we can change other's."

  10. 09-28-2024 07:22 PM
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    merge

  11. #9300
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    Sakura Ichijo
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    Omega
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    Bard Lv 100
    Chonky healer PLD/WAR probably hasn't realized yet that Piety isn't a typo.
    (1)
    Dawntrail is what I imagine the entire MSQ as a healer-main.

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