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  1. #9261
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    Grumblecakes's Avatar
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    Mona Valenti
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    I have had plenty of healers in game not heal at all when they are supposed to. Like raid wides. Don't act like healer players are saints and go at DPS and Tanks like this. Healers may be dumbed down but clearly people still don't know what healing is and instead cast more glares. This strike is going no where if players who play the jobs can't even do basic functions as it is now.
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  2. #9262
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Grumblecakes View Post
    I have had plenty of healers in game not heal at all when they are supposed to. Like raid wides. Don't act like healer players are saints and go at DPS and Tanks like this. Healers may be dumbed down but clearly people still don't know what healing is and instead cast more glares. This strike is going no where if players who play the jobs can't even do basic functions as it is now.
    Good. They (SE and players who cheers for their design trajectory) deserves all the flak.

    I don't think anybody should be giving a 'surprise pikachu'-face when (a) Non-stupids are fed up to the point they either limit their exposure or swap role entirely; (b) A lot stupids are populating the role and making duties more miserable overall. What you've described is just one of the symptoms of 5-8 years (depending on where you draw the line) of designing the role around stupids.
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  3. #9263
    Player Mortex's Avatar
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    Rigor Mortex
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Grumblecakes View Post
    I have had plenty of healers in game not heal at all when they are supposed to. Like raid wides. Don't act like healer players are saints and go at DPS and Tanks like this. Healers may be dumbed down but clearly people still don't know what healing is and instead cast more glares. This strike is going no where if players who play the jobs can't even do basic functions as it is now.
    And you never thought maybe these players are dps or tank mains doing the role because they don’t wanna wait for healers or try it out so they can see why people complain. I had in pf so many atrocious healer players not healing or doing passable dmg it’s kinda sad. Like people say there is no healer strike but I argue waiting 3 hours for shield healers on a Wednesday for the m4s weekly kill and only doing the fight for 1 hour and having mostly the healer fail, tells a good enough story for me.
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  4. #9264
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Healer Strike: "We no longer enjoy healing in its current state, so we will no longer be joining duties on healer."

    The Community: "This healer sucks! Must be one of those darn healer strikers! This is all their fault! They suck at healing and they want more healing? Ridiculous!"

    Everytime.
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  5. #9265
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    AmiableApkallu's Avatar
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    Tatanpa Nononpa
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumblecakes View Post
    I have had plenty of healers in game not heal at all when they are supposed to.
    I know! I've seen plenty of DPS in the game just not deal damage at all when they're supposed to because standing in the bad is easier than doing mechanics properly. And plenty of tanks in the game just not hold aggro at all when they're supposed to because it's easier to tank the floor than hitting a mitigation.

    Like, seriously, there are bad players in every role. Why is it that only bad healers get blamed for everything?
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  6. #9266
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    Lorika's Avatar
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Phantom
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    Gunbreaker Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu View Post
    Like, seriously, there are bad players in every role. Why is it that only bad healers get blamed for everything?
    why DPS should do mechanics properly and tanks hit mitigation?
    After all they have a healbot... oups a healer to heal them.... And if they die, nope it's not their fault, it's because the healer didn't healed properly.
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  7. #9267
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    why DPS should do mechanics properly and tanks hit mitigation?
    After all they have a healbot... oups a healer to heal them.... And if they die, nope it's not their fault, it's because the healer didn't healed properly.
    Okay so you got a bad healer, literally what relevance does this have to healers being bad to play in a general sense

    For every bad healer there is also a bad DPS and a bad tank

    Do you go onto BLM suggestion forums and go “acshooly sweaty I got a BLM that stood in AOE’s yesterday so BLM should be made into SMN 2.0 so that these terrible BLM players stop dying”
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  8. #9268
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    Lorika's Avatar
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Phantom
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    Gunbreaker Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Okay so you got a bad healer, literally what relevance does this have to healers being bad to play in a general sense

    For every bad healer there is also a bad DPS and a bad tank

    Do you go onto BLM suggestion forums and go “acshooly sweaty I got a BLM that stood in AOE’s yesterday so BLM should be made into SMN 2.0 so that these terrible BLM players stop dying”
    Oo

    I know english isn't my native language, but even so... I think it was sarcastic and ironic enough to be understood XD

    [Edit]
    1) Can you stop being aggressive please.
    2) I'm the HEALER.
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    Last edited by Lorika; 09-28-2024 at 11:11 AM.

  9. #9269
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    Oo

    I know english isn't my native language, but even so... I think it was sarcastic and ironic enough to be understood XD

    [Edit]
    1) Can you stop being aggressive please.
    2) I'm the HEALER.
    If you are the healer then come right out and say it because you’ll get a far more positive response from people on here if your point is “hey guys I see you are discussing the idea of making healing harder and more in depth but I personally believe the current level of healing is enough because it plays to my current skill level. If the level of healing is increased I may struggle to heal effectively”

    That’s a perfectly valid stance and one I can totally see

    Beating around the bush with a vague story of a poor healer ruining your roulette ironically made your point weaker than just coming out and saying you are content with the current level of healing
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  10. #9270
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    Lorika's Avatar
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 74
    I will say it again : Stop being aggresive please.

    And : don't put words in my mouth please....

    Now i will be also agrresive : boy, even if my english is not good, try to use your brain a little before attacking people.
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