#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Aravell]

Except the Devs have acknowledged the "Rivers of Green" so there IS news on the matter.

Knowing it's there is all well and good, but they haven't once said what steps they're taking to fix it.

They also acknowledged it happening in Abyssos and the only thing they gave us is a "Please give healers a try", and then they didn't do anything for the rest of EW.

[Supersnow845]

Knowing it's there is all well and good, but they haven't once said what steps they're taking to fix it.

They also acknowledged it happening in Abyssos and the only thing they gave us is a "Please give healers a try", and then they didn't do anything for the rest of EW.

Excuse me yes they did they did so much to fix healers after that. They buffed WAR again

[GartredZW]

You wanna know the real fact of the matter? The people paying the bills, indeed the silent majority, will determine the future of the game, for better or for worse (is always worse). And they log in, do a roulette, chat, rp, etc. They gcd heal through level 100 content, assuming they've made it that far, and then they log out, probably having enjoyed the time spent. The only way change is going to happen is if that change doesn't piss off the majority.

And, right now? I don't see a way for Square to fix the damage they've caused without pissing those players off, because those players requested that damage. Random crits, cleaves, and mini, untelegraphed tank busters? Found to be annoying, so they're gone. Cleric Stance? Too much effort and they used it at the wrong time. Gone. Having to manage a few dots, like the various aero versions or Sch's kit? Too hard. Gone. Sometimes a healer is better than another? Make their kits mirror each other.

No, there is a silent majority that are happy right now. To try to deny that is silly.

We always like to talk about the casuals who enjoy healers as they are now, but have you considered that they'd love just about any design for healers? These people don't care about playing a job correctly, so why should their opinion be just as valuable as each of the many savage raiders in this thread who used to love healer, but stopped loving it when it changed into what it is now.
And furthermore, even if these nebulous casual fun-havers just spamming cure 1 are that numerous, why should everyone have to endure the same healer design for every healer just because of these players. There are four healers in the game for crying out loud. Why can't we just relegate the one button spam to White Mage, and let the rest of us actually have fun.
I've yet to see an actual rebuttal to this. Why did all healers need to be neutered like this? (or in the case of sage, born infertile as an 80% clone of Scholar) Is it because people will expect higher damage for playing a harder class? Direct them to the same responses for the people complaining about Viper being higher damage than all the "super hard" jobs. Who cares, just play what's fun to you.
Remember, this is already a compromise. If I had it my way, the correct place for the easy healer with a one button damage rotation would be level 1-30.

[Rolder50]

What he said. A cure 1 spammer is going to do the same thing regardless of if they are ignoring 2 dps buttons or 5. So why not have 5 dps buttons.

[Aravell]

The people who are vehemently against more damage buttons are under the mistaken assumption that it would cause the casuals to have a meltdown and then transform into damage-hungry individuals who will let you die for another Glare.

But the truth is that most players will not care either way. People who spam Cure now are also people who spammed Cure back in HW.

The irony is that people are fighting to keep the current healer design when the older design is far friendlier to casuals or inexperienced players. Because damage was harder to do in HW with Cleric Stance and accuracy stats, very few people would expect the healer to do damage in regular content. But now, every healer has a very easy to keep up damage rotation (if we can even call this a rotation) and their filler spam spell has a hefty amount of potency, so now healers are under far more scrutiny to do damage instead of standing around, especially so because tanks no longer take sudden spike damage after they removed crit from enemies.

[GartredZW]

Also the fact that we've got people now who outright refuse to GCD heal.
What makes it works is that about 80% of the time, the game lets them get away with it. That's really why so many healers try to do that. It's the only skill expression left in the role.

[Aravell]

Also the fact that we've got people now who outright refuse to GCD heal.
What makes it works is that about 80% of the time, the game lets them get away with it. That's really why so many healers try to do that. It's the only skill expression left in the role.

Yes, the game allows healers to heal without ever touching their GCD heals in good runs. If people want to blame something for the healer refusing to use GCD heals and letting the party wipe, blame the design that allows it to be possible.

If a healer refused to GCD heal back in HW/SB, they'd be asked to stop chadding their cohealer or they'd be kicked.

[lolnotacat]

The people who are vehemently against more damage buttons are under the mistaken assumption that it would cause the casuals to have a meltdown and then transform into damage-hungry individuals who will let you die for another Glare.

That's a bit of a straw-man IMO. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are against it for that reason, but there are plenty who are like me, and don't want further role homogenization. The saying "If I wanted to DPS, I'd play a DPS." comes to mind. My concern is that if healers were given more damaging abilities, that will likely lead towards further role homogenization and removal of the trinity. If we're gonna go that route, I'd rather just play GW2. That game was designed around not having a full trinity and has a bad story (Thanks Dawntrail), but at least GW2 has good netcode.

This isn't to say IMO we can't have additional DPS abilities, but they should be subservient to healing. For example, someone mentioned an idea where Freecure procced a free GCD heal off of glare or random Dia ticks. Maybe Asylum could also have a damage tick added to it or Aetherial shift turns into a PVE Seraph Strike when targeting an enemy and consumes a lily. Obviously I'm just spitballing, but I think the priority should be to keep healers healing, and if we're gonna get more damage abilities, they should to facilitate our healing instead of just adding button bloat so we have more things to press.

[Supersnow845]

That's a bit of a straw-man IMO. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are against it for that reason, but there are plenty who are like me, and don't want further role homogenization. The saying "If I wanted to DPS, I'd play a DPS." comes to mind. My concern is that healers had more damaging abilities, that will likely lead towards further role homogenization and removal of the trinity. If we're gonna go that route, I'd rather just play GW2. That game was designed around not having a full trinity and has a bad story (Thanks Dawntrail), but at least GW2 has good netcode.

This isn't to say IMO we can't have additional DPS abilities, but they should be subservient to healing. For example, someone mentioned an idea where Freecure procced a free GCD heal off of glare or random Dia ticks. Maybe Asylum could also have a damage tick added to it or Aetherial shift turns into a PVE Seraph Strike when targeting an enemy and consumes a lily. Obviously I'm just spitballing, but I think the priority should be to keep healers healing, and if we're gonna get more damage abilities, they should to facilitate our healing.

But that’s the thing, we don’t remotely have that now. Adding more DPS abilities to the healers isn’t homogenising the roles because the healers are already expected to spend 99% of the time doing DPS, it just makes the role less boring than it is now

[WaxSw]

That's a bit of a straw-man IMO. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are against it for that reason, but there are plenty who are like me, and don't want further role homogenization. The saying "If I wanted to DPS, I'd play a DPS." comes to mind. My concern is that if healers were given more damaging abilities, that will likely lead towards further role homogenization and removal of the trinity. If we're gonna go that route, I'd rather just play GW2. That game was designed around not having a full trinity and has a bad story (Thanks Dawntrail), but at least GW2 has good netcode.

This isn't to say IMO we can't have additional DPS abilities, but they should be subservient to healing. For example, someone mentioned an idea where Freecure procced a free GCD heal off of glare or random Dia ticks. Maybe Asylum could also have a damage tick added to it or Aetherial shift turns into a PVE Seraph Strike when targeting an enemy and consumes a lily. Obviously I'm just spitballing, but I think the priority should be to keep healers healing, and if we're gonna get more damage abilities, they should to facilitate our healing.

The game in its ARR/HW/SB era proves that argument wrong, we had as healers a much more extensive damage kit and not only the trinity was in a healthier state than post Shb but also the jobs within the role were the less homogenized they have ever been. DPS actions do not mean that healers stop healing, they are tools to reward efficient gameplay and extend healer utility from just healing (which in a game that has scripted mechanics, damage and a slow GCD like XIV they are very needed).

The problem with dps kits that are subservient to healing is just that... DPS is king. If the tool is a straight up dps gain (like assize, Missery or the asylim you mention) it will be used on CD regardless of the healing required in 99% of the situations and if to access the dps tool a healer may have to take dps losses, unless the gain justify it, it wont see use (your freecure proc for example would be largely ignored for example as cure 2 is not efficient and the Mp gain is not a real benefit).