#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[YarnMage48]

I replied to your discussion of their offensive place in single-target combat. Of those, only Dosis III and Eukrasian Dosis III are relevant, and are analogous to any other filler-DoT pair.

But by all means, let's run your example through more broadly.

Your means of performing your GCD spammable heals and attacks requires 5 keys (Dosis, Dykrasis, Diagnosis, Prognosis, Eukrasia).
SCH's means of performing their GCD spammable heals and attacks requires 6 keys (Broil, Biolysis, Art of War, Adloquiem, Succor, Physick), of which only 5 keys are actually used.
WHM's means of performing their GCD spammable heals and attacks requires 7 keys (Glare, Dia, Holy, Cure II, Regen, Medica, Medica II), of which only 6 keys are actually used.
AST's means of performing their GCD spammable heals and attacks requires 7 keys (Malefic, Combust, Gravity, Benefic II, Aspected Benefic, Helix, Aspected Helix), of which only 5 keys are generally used.

So its savings relative to other kit designs are, in effect... 1 in 32 keys.

And I'm not sure why this needs to be repeated after so many times, but since you're seemingly continuing to interpret critiques of healer same-ish-ness as if said critiques disliked what little distinction exists...

...none of this is to say that Eukrasia is bad. It simply happens to be laughable to say that hitting your DoT once per 30 seconds on SGE feels different just because you hit [2]->[1] instead of the normal [1] instead of just hitting [2] instead of [1] or that hitting your STHeal+ GCD feels different from AST hitting its STHeal+ GCD just because you hit [2]->[3] instead of just [3], etc., let alone that those fractional changes actually allow SGE gameplay to feel distinct from SCH (or even the broader basic healer template altogether).

I.e., that Sage's uniqueness could have been, was implied to be, and should have been far more than what we got.

And people trying to, say, put an [obligatory 1s GCD + 1.5s GCD pair] on a pedestal as if it were sufficiently unique from any [2.5s GCD with identical control and considerations] to make its job feel truly distinct... only makes it harder to get there.

Look mate. I said that Eukrasia reduces the amount of hotbar spaces needed for all of Sage's GCD skills. That's it. No amount of red herrings changes the fact that 5 is less than 8.

And there was another poster who literally said that they dislike having to hit Eukrasia and that it feels awful to them. By all means. Laugh at them. Since you think their opinion is laughable. I personally think that it's a completely valid opinion.

I'd love to see the Kardia and Eukrasia system expanded upon. There have been some really fun ideas put forward in their thread and I hope that we might see some cool changes in the future. But I also enjoy Sage in its current iteration. That's all there is to it.

[TheDustyOne]

Eukrasia has the potential to be a really, really cool skill, much like Dark Arts used to be. Extra attack spells can mean different Eukrasian spells, different Eukrasian spells mean different effects. While we're at it, maybe we could make a Eukrasian Toxikon that has a 21s DoT, finally allowing it to be damage neutral without being overly spammable.

We could go a step further and offer different Kardia effects from these different attack spells, like giving extra barriers, mitigations, regens, stronger heals, cleanses, etc. Eukrasian Toxikon could apply another barrier, maybe we could have a new gauge to spend on attacks that provide the Kardia target with buffs and shields.

Instead Eukrasia is just our DoT behind an extra button press and turns not-Physick into not-Adloquium. While Kardia is just not-Embrace. Such a massive missed opportunity.

[Supersnow845]

Seraphism also deleted arguably one of current eukrasia’s greatest strengths; in that SGE had a way to perform limitless AOE pure healing with prognosis

Sure prognosis wasn’t strong but the augmentation effect was a noticeable advantage over SCH who’s only GCD AOE healing option is succor (I’ll never call it concitation)

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Important bits have been said at this point. If you don't think Glaroilficosis and the DoTs are filler, it's clear we've been talking semantics in circle. I'll stop pushing for clarification and agree to disagree then move on.

Also not gonna lie. If the effect of Seraphism didn't turn their GCD healing into instant casts, maybe that oughta be fairer. At the very least they would still retain SCH's weakness that is raw heal output on the move.

[Aravell]

Important bits have been said at this point. If you don't think Glaroilficosis and the DoTs are filler, it's clear we've been talking semantics in circle. I'll stop pushing for clarification and agree to disagree then move on.

Also not gonna lie. If the effect of Seraphism didn't turn their GCD healing into instant casts, maybe that oughta be fairer. At the very least they would still retain SCH's weakness that is raw heal output on the move.

It's funny to me that they introduced SGE with the advantage of being able to shield on the move, then they gave SCH Seraphism the very next expansion which completely deletes SGE's advantage.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…]There's nothing stopping them making it an oGCD.

I could immediately imagine myself ghosting my Eukrasia procs just like how I ghost my dualcasts occasionally on RDM because my high ping :cries:

It's funny to me that they introduced SGE with the advantage of being able to shield on the move, then they gave SCH Seraphism the very next expansion which completely deletes SGE's advantage.

Adding salt to the injury, is the fact that SGE’s Philosophia gives no way to capitalize the healing value beyond first pepsis on the move should they actually need it. Want to spam Cure III? Now you have to be a literal, immobile WHM to cast those Prognosis once E.Prog shields are up & Pepsis on cooldown while the SCH hopping around in circle stealing E.Prognosis’ gil with their Emergency Tactic ad infinitum within the same duration.

[YarnMage48]

It's funny to me that they introduced SGE with the advantage of being able to shield on the move, then they gave SCH Seraphism the very next expansion which completely deletes SGE's advantage.

Seraphism has a cooldown. Recitation has a cooldown. Eukrasian skills are GCD. Seraphism is a great skills with a lot of cool effects, but it doesn't in any way nullify the fact that a Sage can cast a GCD shield on the move whenever they want.

[Alice_Rivers]

While I'm not a good shield healer, for all I've tried recently, I can't help but hate Eukrasia. I wouldn't have a problem with it if it were an oGCD but in my experience my entire flow just stops dead whenever I have to press it, rather than Dosis, Dosis, Dosis, Eukrasia, Something; It feels like Dosis, Dosis, Dosis, pause, Eukrasia, Something. There's nothing stopping them making it an oGCD.

[YarnMage48]

Wait hang on. Are you saying that this small difference in how the skills work makes a large impact on how the class plays to you? Interesting, interesting. I'm glad you brought that up.

I can totally understand why the Eukrasia gimmick wouldn't be enjoyable to everyone. I hope you're enjoying one of the other healer classes more!

[Azurarok]

While I'm not a good shield healer, for all I've tried recently, I can't help but hate Eukrasia. I wouldn't have a problem with it if it were an oGCD but in my experience my entire flow just stops dead whenever I have to press it, rather than Dosis, Dosis, Dosis, Eukrasia, Something; It feels like Dosis, Dosis, Dosis, pause, Eukrasia, Something. There's nothing stopping them making it an oGCD.

Changing it to an oGCD would change the timing it'd be pressed to one of the weave windows and I think it'd throw me off by a lot.

It's also why I wonder if Dosis was a full 2.5s cast during EW's development. In that case it would've served to give the Sage the mobility of an instant cast but only one weave window, which then would've given toxicon and phlegma more value as proper instant casts