#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Aravell]

Healers do need the ability to deal damage to get through the MSQ... As you are expected to deal damage in various quests, which unironically punishes healers under the current design of things...
And they can't seem to figure out why people don't want to play a healer all that much...

If they gave healers a big nice boost to damage, past (and current) fights would likely lose some difficulty, but if they can then proceed to design fights where all 8 members of the party contribute that might lead to better designed fights.

To solve the solo problem, they don't actually have to purely buffs healers and ruin the old fights.

I've seen before that the gap between healer and tank damage output is 30%, so let's use that. If they boost healer damage by 15% and nerf tank damage by 15%, they can meet in the middle and not destroy the balance in older content. Then they can just adjust MSQ enemy HP and they'll be good, pretty much.

[Alice_Rivers]

I'm mostly against more damage buttons for three reasons:-
1: I want the devs to focus on increasing the need for healers in normal content.
2: I don't have space on my hotbars as is for new buttons.
3: I don't really trust the devs as is to increase the number of damage buttons AND the requirements for healers.

[Galvuu]

My concern is that if healers were given more damaging abilities, that will likely lead towards further role homogenization and removal of the trinity.
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This isn't to say IMO we can't have additional DPS abilities, but they should be subservient to healing. For example, someone mentioned an idea where Freecure procced a free GCD heal off of glare or random Dia ticks. Maybe Asylum could also have a damage tick added to it or Aetherial shift turns into a PVE Seraph Strike when targeting an enemy and consumes a lily. Obviously I'm just spitballing, but I think the priority should be to keep healers healing, and if we're gonna get more damage abilities, they should to facilitate our healing instead of just adding button bloat so we have more things to press.

There are like three different points baked together in this post.
A more robust dps kit can exist regardless of a healer's healing kit and the need to use it. How much a healing kit shines/is necessary comes down to encounter design. If there's a tough healing (not mitigation) check, you need to use your healing kit to deal with it regardless of what that job's healing kit looks like.
Further, the healers dps kit only leads to homogenization (compared to tanks and dps) depending on how it's implemented. Between procs that interact with the healing kits- like you're mentioning in the post- and healers being the jobs juggling the most dots with different timers (HW SCH had even more of this than HW SMN, funny enough), there's plenty of design space to make them different from the other roles and different from each other (though I doubt SE has the creative juice to pull this off).
Lastly, how significant that damage contribution is depends on number tuning. It's always going to be desirable by nature of XIV's core gameplay loop, but I actually think you could axe tank and healer damage by some % and then put more emphasis on the role's responsibility in the trinity. This last point aside, I think the role needs more than spamming 60% of a single gcd without interaction to thrive, regardless of number tuning.

My point is that I believe a more in-depth and interactive dps kit, on its own, neither leads to homogenization or to forcing the healing part of the kit to take a backseat. These things can be designed to be synergistic and not antagonistic.

[Connor]

Didn’t they say there was an ability cap on jobs? How are they going to add a bunch of dps skills that are enough to create a ‘damage rotation’ without also gutting the healing toolkit to make room for them? And if they do then who decides what we lose? Are healers gonna lose a bunch of oGCDs? Lose their gcd heals (most players would absolutely love that lol)?

Like assuming Scholar gets Miasma and a third DoT what do they replace? Protraction? Excogitation? Seraphism? Lustrate? Physick? Honestly I like Protraction but apparently you’re not a ‘real scholar’ if you don’t want it immediately deleted for another gcd dot lol.

[Supersnow845]

Didn’t they say there was an ability cap on jobs? How are they going to add a bunch of dps skills that are enough to create a ‘damage rotation’ without also gutting the healing toolkit to make room for them? And if they do then who decides what we lose? Are healers gonna lose a bunch of oGCDs? Lose their gcd heals (most players would absolutely love that lol)?

Like assuming Scholar gets Miasma and a third DoT what do they replace? Protraction? Excogitation? Seraphism? Lustrate? Physick? Honestly I like Protraction but apparently you’re not a ‘real scholar’ if you don’t want it immediately deleted for another gcd dot lol.

SCH has bloat that could go decently effectively

Fey blessing doesn’t need to exist in its current form, protraction could be baked into recitation as a “protraction ready” when you apply a skill that is buffed with recitation to a single player. Physick has long lost its single tiny niche case of why you’d ever use it over just using adlo, fey union could be slightly reworked to just put it back on the pet GCD alongside embrace and movement buttons so you can put it on the pet hotbar,

Getting a little more saucy whispering dawn and illumination could be a single button (not my favourite but others have suggested it). Aetherflow could either a) transform into a new DOT or damaging ability similar to baneful impact or otherwise combine it optionally with energy drain

That’s just a few suggestions, SCH’s buttons all have a decent purpose individually but there is definitely options where 2 seperate oGCD’s could just be one button

[Connor]

SCH has bloat that could go decently effectively

Fey blessing doesn’t need to exist in its current form, protraction could be baked into recitation as a “protraction ready” when you apply a skill that is buffed with recitation to a single player. Physick has long lost its single tiny niche case of why you’d ever use it over just using adlo, fey union could be slightly reworked to just put it back on the pet GCD alongside embrace and movement buttons so you can put it on the pet hotbar,

Getting a little more saucy whispering dawn and illumination could be a single button (not my favourite but others have suggested it). Aetherflow could either a) transform into a new DOT or damaging ability similar to baneful impact or otherwise combine it optionally with energy drain

That’s just a few suggestions, SCH’s buttons all have a decent purpose individually but there is definitely options where 2 seperate oGCD’s could just be one button

Doesn’t that just make it even more like Sage though? We already have one healer with all their ability effects squished into single ability at every possible opportunity lol. But don’t people just complain about the fact that they have no control over the secondary effect? I.E using Kerachole for regen and getting a damage reduction nobody needs, using Physis II and getting a healing boost despite nobody being actively healed outside of regen, etc.

I may be wrong but I think fairy skills are actually considered ‘separate’ from the Scholar’s ‘toolkit’ in that they don’t take up the same spaces. So the amount of fairy abilities won’t actually have any effect on how many main skills there are, assuming there truly is a ‘ability limit’

Plus wouldn’t tying Protraction to Recitation make it kinda redundant if it comes after you’ve consumed it? You’d be giving a healing boost to someone after they’d been healed.

Also frankly I feel like removing Physick would take much more work than everyone realizes lol. Wouldn’t they need to rebalance every dungeon pre-30 to account for healers literally not having a single direct gcd heal? Plus if Adloquium was literally the only gcd Scholar can use wouldn’t there just be tons of complaints about the fact it cost 10% of your Mp to use your most basic heal? Even Whispering Dawn isn’t until level 20; think of the poor noobies in Sastasha! Like, yeah, it probably doesn’t need to exist for level 100 content. But, I really don’t think that’s why it exists in the first place lol.

[Supersnow845]

Doesn’t that just make it even more like Sage though? We already have one healer with all their ability effects squished into single ability at every possible opportunity lol. But don’t people just complain about the fact that they have no control over the secondary effect? I.E using Kerachole for regen and getting a damage reduction nobody needs, using Physis II and getting a healing boost despite nobody being actively healed outside of regen, etc.

I may be wrong but I think fairy skills are actually considered ‘separate’ from the Scholar’s ‘toolkit’ in that they don’t take up the same spaces. So the amount of fairy abilities won’t actually have any effect on how many main skills there are, assuming there truly is a ‘ability limit’

Plus wouldn’t tying Protraction to Recitation make it kinda redundant if it comes after you’ve consumed it? You’d be giving a healing boost to someone after they’d been healed.

Also frankly I feel like removing Physick would take much more work than everyone realizes lol. Wouldn’t they need to rebalance every dungeon pre-30 to account for healers literally not having a single direct gcd heal? Plus if Adloquium was literally the only gcd Scholar can use wouldn’t there just be tons of complaints about the fact it cost 10% of your Mp to use your most basic heal? Even Whispering Dawn isn’t until level 20; think of the poor noobies in Sastasha! Like, yeah, it probably doesn’t need to exist for level 100 content. But, I really don’t think that’s why it exists in the first place lol.

I’ve seen a lot of complaints about SGE but it’s combined ability effects is not one I’ve almost ever seen, if anything it’s SGE’s single avenue of optimisation that you are trying to actually maximise both effects when they sit together. I guess you could definitely argue that if you combined too many of SCH’s skills then it’s toolkit would just end up resembling SGE’s which is a fair point but in my proposal it would only really be whispering dawn being more similar to physis

Protraction ready would just apply to what you used recitation on, so recitation would functionally have a 10% healing up and HP up baked into it alongside its crit modifier

As for physick don’t delete it just have it upgrade to adlo at 30

[LynxDubh]

Didn’t they say there was an ability cap on jobs? How are they going to add a bunch of dps skills that are enough to create a ‘damage rotation’ without also gutting the healing toolkit to make room for them? And if they do then who decides what we lose? Are healers gonna lose a bunch of oGCDs? Lose their gcd heals (most players would absolutely love that lol)?

Like assuming Scholar gets Miasma and a third DoT what do they replace? Protraction? Excogitation? Seraphism? Lustrate? Physick? Honestly I like Protraction but apparently you’re not a ‘real scholar’ if you don’t want it immediately deleted for another gcd dot lol.

To list off a few that could go from endgame spreads:

WHM - Cure I and Aquaveil can be absorbed into Cure II and Divine Benison respectively. Medica converting to Medica II or Cure III is one I've heard as well, but I'm iffy on that one personally.

SCH - See SuperSnow's post above. Also, they could Overwrite Summon Fey with Summon Seraph, it might be a pain for certain macros that let you change your summon glam, but it's an option.

AST - Benefic I, Horoscope, and Synastry (as much as I would personally hate it if this one was lost) could all safely go. And Celestial Opposition could be reworked if needed. I'd hope we'd get buff management back if we were to replace anything on AST though Like Time Dilation and Opposition's old effect.

SGE - Pepsis (the vestigial twin of Emergency Tactics). Other than that SGE is much better on buttons and would only need some tweeks like adding something to make Psyche more interesting.

[OliviaLugria]

Whm: Cure I -> Cure II -> Solace(option, if available). Medica I -> Medica II -> Medica III -> Rapture (optional, if available). Combine Aquaveil + Benison. Remove Plenary Indulgence. Remove Regen. Remove Cure III. Remove Thin Air.

I'm indulging a bit more with removing skills. But this does remove 9 buttons from whitemage. Pvp whitemage use to have regen effects on rapture and Solace so can put those back on to keep that part of the identity. Give targeting to medica series of spells and make them all upfront potency so Cure III's function isn't lost. Increase mp regained from assize to account for thin air loss. Indulgence could be baked into Asylum or Bell or just become a Trait, you're usally only healing once a minute anyways with this fight design.

[Shialan]

So...

What's going on with the healer strike? Did it happen? Do we still wait for it? Give me the tea.