#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[...]So how much do you think they will buff whm and sge? I'm going to guess that sge eurkuian dossis will get buffed to 85 per tick, and phemgla and psych to 650. Then for whm, dia to 80, and probably glare 4 to something like 680, most likely higher.

Psst! They'll also buff the other dps/tank jobs for whatever reason which also feeds to SCH and AST, bringing us back to square one lmfao.

[Aravell]

Psst! They'll also buff the other dps/tank jobs for whatever reason which also feeds to SCH and AST, bringing us back to square one lmfao.

"Oh no! We buffed every DPS job up to the absurd numbers of PCT and now the 2 healers that have party buffs have pulled ahead! How could this have happened?"

[ForsakenRoe]

So how much do you think they will buff whm and sge? I'm going to guess that sge eurkuian dossis will get buffed to 85 per tick, and phemgla and psych to 650. Then for whm, dia to 80, and probably glare 4 to something like 680, most likely higher.

They could buff Glare 4 to be like 850p and WHM will probably still fall behind AST/SCH again by the end of the expansion

You either tune the raidbuff classes to be roughly inline with the 'selfish' classes like WHM based on nobody having any gear (eg everyone's in full crafted), which results in the raidbuffers creeping ahead because of everyone getting gear, or you tune the raidbuffers to be inline with the 'selfish' when everyone's in BIS, which results in the raidbuffers feeling like they're 'working harder for no reward' during prog

It's always going to end up with the raidbuff classes being ahead, unless they do some crazy thing like making the potency of the raidbuffs scale based on your gear level


But also remember that all of this is smoke and mirrors, making WHM actually be inline with AST/SCH doesn't change the fact that the gameplay loop for healers needs adjustment

[Supersnow845]

They could buff Glare 4 to be like 850p and WHM will probably still fall behind AST/SCH again by the end of the expansion

You either tune the raidbuff classes to be roughly inline with the 'selfish' classes like WHM based on nobody having any gear (eg everyone's in full crafted), which results in the raidbuffers creeping ahead because of everyone getting gear, or you tune the raidbuffers to be inline with the 'selfish' when everyone's in BIS, which results in the raidbuffers feeling like they're 'working harder for no reward' during prog

It's always going to end up with the raidbuff classes being ahead, unless they do some crazy thing like making the potency of the raidbuffs scale based on your gear level


But also remember that all of this is smoke and mirrors, making WHM actually be inline with AST/SCH doesn't change the fact that the gameplay loop for healers needs adjustment

It’s not like a 10 potency buff every sub patch is really that hard to do. Just slowly buff the selfish healers over the expansion as the buff healers creep up with more gear and you’d be totally fine. They basically already do this with MCH where they constantly give it 10 more potency on its tools every patch to compensate for DNC and BRD creeping up with buffs

[Azurarok]

They also upped the effect time of divination and chain stratagem without changing the buff amount so it scales more than before too.

I've wondered if they didn't account for that when they made the potency buffs in 7.05, at least with WHM/SGE

[Maltothoris]

True whqt is funny is that cycle almost always plays out the same. Selfish classes are not on the level of the supports. Selfish classes get buffed but some other classes get buffed which still keeps the supports ahead.

[Striker44]

Square enix can and does make mistakes and acting like they always do the right thing because they have more data (that they refuse to show us btw) is just so flawed and can basically be used to quash literally anything. If square came out tomorrow with a change you didn’t like I could just say “lol data, square knows more than you kick rocks”. May as well just delete feedback now since square knows so much

If they did, you could say that and I'd acknowledge it. Because that's how mature people act. Unlike those who get all in a huff because someone points out their little echo chamber is not necessarily representative of reality, even moreso when there is plentiful data to the contrary. Thanks for playing

[Silver-Strider]

If they did, you could say that and I'd acknowledge it. Because that's how mature people act. Unlike those who get all in a huff because someone points out their little echo chamber is not necessarily representative of reality, even moreso when there is plentiful data to the contrary. Thanks for playing

What data? The only data we have is the rivers of green on multiple servers for PF. The savage tier is undertuned af that m4s was cleared without BiS gear in just 2 weeks and content design hasn't changed to warrant the overbloated number of tools healers have at their disposal.

The reality is that healers play like dogshit because there isn't a healer designer on the team so they can't design content with them in mind.

[Aravell]

True whqt is funny is that cycle almost always plays out the same. Selfish classes are not on the level of the supports. Selfish classes get buffed but some other classes get buffed which still keeps the supports ahead.

It's precisely BECAUSE selfish jobs are buffed that support jobs keep pulling ahead.

If VPR gets massively buffed, support jobs like BRD and DNC will also be indirectly buffed as they'll reap the benefits through rDPS. If the intention is to keep rough parity between support jobs and selfish jobs so they average around roughly the same rDPS, then they'll have to nerf the personal output of the support jobs, which would be miserable for them.

[Supersnow845]

If they did, you could say that and I'd acknowledge it. Because that's how mature people act. Unlike those who get all in a huff because someone points out their little echo chamber is not necessarily representative of reality, even moreso when there is plentiful data to the contrary. Thanks for playing

The sugarplum fairies dancing in your head telling you that everyone that doesn’t directly come out and say something in opposition to your point inherently agrees with you is not data

Not to mention your entire point on the last reply was that we don’t have the data because apparently square has it all so why do you know this data

Logical consistently is hard apparently