#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Maltothoris]

You're missing another component. What they're looking for in the data may not align with what individual groups of players want them to be looking for.

I thought it pretty interesting that in all the interviews coming out of Gamescon, there didn't seem to be any comments about healing. Seems like they still don't consider the current state of healing as an issue to be addressed.

By the same measure, they could just be discussing it behind close doors. Look at Stormblood lilies, first we had everything talked about them and how everyone saw how useless they would be. Yoshi-P said "give it a try", most of us said it sucked. Then they were silent for 2 yeasr about it only to come out and say, ya it sucked and it was inefficient.

[Aravell]

I thought it pretty interesting that in all the interviews coming out of Gamescon, there didn't seem to be any comments about healing. Seems like they still don't consider the current state of healing as an issue to be addressed.

You're trying to spin it as them being satisfied because they don't bring up the topic, but history shows us that they barely communicate regardless.

What did they say on the topic of healers from the massive changes in ShB all the way to now? Just 2 things:
- Go play ultimates
- Please give healers a try

That's it, that's all they said about healers for 6-7 years.

That said, the results of their flawed vision speaks for itself. People are complaining about incompetent healers and another green river is forming in PF.

[PapaIggy]

You left out the creative team from SE actually plays the game too. So it is not likely they are completely clueless how their game works. A few hundred people screaming notice me on the forum isn't going to make much of a wave. This is not to say they aren't listening they just aren't over here doting on every comment that demands it be noticed.

Now add to this that there are people who seem to live on these forums, posting 100s of times a day. Acting like gate-keepers and self assigned forum moderators. I just block those people and move on. It has been my personal experience they add nothing to the conversation and often just want to revisit old gripes from years ago. Frankly I only come to the forum about once a month and look at some threads out of morbid curiosity.

[Supersnow845]

You left out the creative team from SE actually plays the game too. So it is not likely they are completely clueless how their game works. A few hundred people screaming notice me on the forum isn't going to make much of a wave. This is not to say they aren't listening they just aren't over here doting on every comment that demands it be noticed.

Now add to this that there are people who seem to live on these forums, posting 100s of times a day. Acting like gate-keepers and self assigned forum moderators. I just block those people and move on. It has been my personal experience they add nothing to the conversation and often just want to revisit old gripes from years ago. Frankly I only come to the forum about once a month and look at some threads out of morbid curiosity.

You are right the devs play the game so they obviously know everything about how everyone else plays the game so they obviously don’t need feedback because the devs know what’s going on

[Connor]

You are right the devs play the game so they obviously know everything about how everyone else plays the game so they obviously don’t need feedback because the devs know what’s going on

Maybe they do but they’re all just really really bad at the game and all the gameplay changes are specifically for them lol.

I mean, they’ve gotta be aimed at someone , and I really don’t see anyone like ‘wow I’m so glad they made the healer role functionally redundant so I can spam any button and succeed’. Maybe it was aimed at the devs themselves all along?!

[Aravell]

Maybe they do but they’re all just really really bad at the game and all the gameplay changes are specifically for them lol.

I mean, they’ve gotta be aimed at someone , and I really don’t see anyone like ‘wow I’m so glad they made the healer role functionally redundant so I can spam any button and succeed’. Maybe it was aimed at the devs themselves all along?!

The recent interviews actually shined a light on this a little bit. In their internal testing, they identify "common stress points" and just aim to remove those regardless of any player feedback. Basically they just assume the playerbase is awful at playing the game and they want to remove anything that could possibly cause stress to the players, so that explains why they removed a lot of the failure points in job rotations and such, can't have the players making a wrong decision after all.

[Supersnow845]

The recent interviews actually shined a light on this a little bit. In their internal testing, they identify "common stress points" and just aim to remove those regardless of any player feedback. Basically they just assume the playerbase is awful at playing the game and they want to remove anything that could possibly cause stress to the players, so that explains why they removed a lot of the failure points in job rotations and such, can't have the players making a wrong decision after all.

That actually does well explain why they don’t really see the excessive amount of tanks soloing the bosses with their immortality as a priority because they don’t see that as a downside of the system they see it as their completely incompetent playerbase being carried by a benevolent “talented” player

[ForsakenRoe]

Did you stop to consider that someone interacting with one specific form of side content for 48 hours of time played is a genuine success? There are successful full games on the market that don't engage players for more than 20 hours.

You took this way too literally. When I said 'for 48 hours', I meant that the window of time that the majority of players interact with BLU is within the first 48 hours of the patch coming out (eg the first two days). Actual interaction time with the job can be as low as 6 hours thanks to the discovery of 'BLU boosting' to massively speed up the levelling process. There's been some BLU patches where I've done everything I want to (that is, level to max, learn the new actions, and forget the job exists again) in less than 4 hours. And yes I gave the 'Limited Job' concept a fair go at convincing me, I've had the Morbol since like week 1 of it existing.

And considering the amount of time said content is 'engaged with', I find it difficult to say that BLU/Limited Jobs in general (because it'll likely be the same for BST) are worth the dev time, as compared to other longer-lasting content. And as I noted before, they're doing another Limited Job, and I don't have the confidence/blind faith that they'll be able to fit that into their cramped dev pipeline alongside BLU updates, without something else having to give way. Can't wait for BST to release, get levelled to max within a couple of hours, and abandoned to be 'weekly Allied Seals generator' status just like its predecessor. I feel bad for any BLU/BST fans who wanted to 'main' the jobs for raiding

BLU came out in 4.5, and I've yet to hear an argument as to why it can't be a real job, that doesn't immediately crumble upon the slightest scrutiny. Even Y-P's two most infamous 'reasons' fall apart when you think about it for more than one minute

That actually does well explain why they don’t really see the excessive amount of tanks soloing the bosses with their immortality as a priority because they don’t see that as a downside of the system they see it as their completely incompetent playerbase being carried by a benevolent “talented” player

Priority one: remove player friction caused by 'oops X player died so now it's a wipe'
Priority two: see priority one

The 'player friction' caused by 'the healer died and is now forced to watch the tank slowly whittle the boss down from 75% to 0%, completely unaided' is not as important to address to them, compared to 'player friction because wipe'. Maybe it's a simple numbers game? A wipe has all four players feel 'friction' by their logic, but when the tank can keep 2 DPS and themselves alive, leaving the healer in the dirt, then only the healer would 'feel the friction'

Why am I trying to find sense in SE's nonsensical design

[IDontPetLalas]

You left out the creative team from SE actually plays the game too. So it is not likely they are completely clueless how their game works. A few hundred people screaming notice me on the forum isn't going to make much of a wave. This is not to say they aren't listening they just aren't over here doting on every comment that demands it be noticed.

Now add to this that there are people who seem to live on these forums, posting 100s of times a day. Acting like gate-keepers and self assigned forum moderators. I just block those people and move on. It has been my personal experience they add nothing to the conversation and often just want to revisit old gripes from years ago. Frankly I only come to the forum about once a month and look at some threads out of morbid curiosity.

So, leaving out all the comments which really aren't necessary, I doubt that anyone here isn't aware by now that SE does play the game to some extent although they have stated in the past that they rotated out the person who played a healer when they "got too good"- at the Extreme content- and they don't have a dedicated Healer designer. So that is pertinent.

For most of your post however- that's interesting, may be a grain of truth regarding these "other people", however its doubtful given the forum post limits.

[Maltothoris]

So how much do you think they will buff whm and sge? I'm going to guess that sge eurkuian dossis will get buffed to 85 per tick, and phemgla and psych to 650. Then for whm, dia to 80, and probably glare 4 to something like 680, most likely higher.