#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

It’s part of the reason why back in EW SCH’s Expedient was pretty well received when it’s revealed to not be ‘just another heal button’. ShB to EW SCH—at least in healing front, were done better vs their 3 siblings.

Then again, who knows if that was a mere fluke in the sea of mediocre decisions they’ve made. We do know they’re sort of ‘throwing wet towel & see which one sticks’-in those times. Then today, we’re back to ‘healer means they get new heal button lol’-approach.

[Maltothoris]

Also they keep adding those high potency moves so it feels especially bad when you don't crit them with how the scaling works and when you compare them to other stats. I harp on piety all the time because it has the second worse scaling in terms of tiers only after determination.

[ForsakenRoe]

Also they keep adding those high potency moves so it feels especially bad when you don't crit them with how the scaling works and when you compare them to other stats. I harp on piety all the time because it has the second worse scaling in terms of tiers only after determination.

'Some players dislike the RNG of the AST cards'
>remove the RNG entirely, making them 100% predictable (harming the identity of the job in the process)

'AST is now behind on damage because they have less RDPS contribution from the cards'
>increase the potency of their personal DPS actions, such as buffing the DOT by an unprecedented 15p per tick (harming the identity of the job in the process)

'AST needs a new 2min button like the other healers got at level 92'
>gives AST an 860p nuke that is not guaranteed to Crit or Direct Hit, thereby not only (harming the identity of the job in the process), but also bringing back RNG into the job's design, having just removed it. ????

Unlike the Cards, where the player had some degree of control over the RNG (Redrawing, for example), there's no working around the Oracle Crit RNG. You either get lucky, or get screwed. So, what did the rework solve?

Also, they could have at least made Oracle more... distinct in function from the other 'it does big damage' attacks added with DT. Like, I would suggest making it do 12 hits of 70p, one for each of the Twelve (since it uses their symbols in the VFX). That way, it's super-resistant to Crit Variance, as there's 12 individual 'did it Crit' rolls to do. And what if we get a little more creative: The colour of the VFX changes, to mirror your Patron Deity. You picked Halone? Ice Blue Oracle. You picked Oschon? Green Oracle. Rhalgr, Purple Oracle, etc. A nice little way for people to show what they picked for that one, otherwise entirely fluff choice at the start of the game

[YarnMage48]

'Some players dislike the RNG of the AST cards'
>remove the RNG entirely, making them 100% predictable (harming the identity of the job in the process)

'AST is now behind on damage because they have less RDPS contribution from the cards'
>increase the potency of their personal DPS actions, such as buffing the DOT by an unprecedented 15p per tick (harming the identity of the job in the process)

'AST needs a new 2min button like the other healers got at level 92'
>gives AST an 860p nuke that is not guaranteed to Crit or Direct Hit, thereby not only (harming the identity of the job in the process), but also bringing back RNG into the job's design, having just removed it. ????

Unlike the Cards, where the player had some degree of control over the RNG (Redrawing, for example), there's no working around the Oracle Crit RNG. You either get lucky, or get screwed. So, what did the rework solve?

Also, they could have at least made Oracle more... distinct in function from the other 'it does big damage' attacks added with DT. Like, I would suggest making it do 12 hits of 70p, one for each of the Twelve (since it uses their symbols in the VFX). That way, it's super-resistant to Crit Variance, as there's 12 individual 'did it Crit' rolls to do. And what if we get a little more creative: The colour of the VFX changes, to mirror your Patron Deity. You picked Halone? Ice Blue Oracle. You picked Oschon? Green Oracle. Rhalgr, Purple Oracle, etc. A nice little way for people to show what they picked for that one, otherwise entirely fluff choice at the start of the game

You're hitting the nail right on the head with this one. We've lost class differentiation because we complain about the differences. I'm also tired of Sage being described as a "worse scholar" Kardia is just "Selene but it sucks". Like. We got something unique with that. And what did we do? We complained that its not as "good" as SCH. Frankly I think that Kardia requiring DPS uptime is neat. It requires player skill. But also the flexibility of Selene is good too. So like. They are different and both good. But as long as we keep complaining about the class features that we have, the more we are going to lose them, and each class will look more and more like each other. SE really doesn't have any good options, no matter what they do someone here on the forums is going to complain VERY LOUDLY about it.

Also I really like your ideas for Oracle. That would be really neat and bring back a little of the class identity.

[Supersnow845]

You're hitting the nail right on the head with this one. We've lost class differentiation because we complain about the differences. I'm also tired of Sage being described as a "worse scholar" Kardia is just "Selene but it sucks". Like. We got something unique with that. And what did we do? We complained that its not as "good" as SCH. Frankly I think that Kardia requiring DPS uptime is neat. It requires player skill. But also the flexibility of Selene is good too. So like. They are different and both good. But as long as we keep complaining about the class features that we have, the more we are going to lose them, and each class will look more and more like each other. SE really doesn't have any good options, no matter what they do someone here on the forums is going to complain VERY LOUDLY about it.

Also I really like your ideas for Oracle. That would be really neat and bring back a little of the class identity.

I would say that the SGE is just a worse SCH argument is arguing in favour of wanting more job diversity simply because SGE really doesn’t actually do anything better than SCH

Complaining that two classes are functionally identical but one is just better on pretty much every front I think is a perfectly valid complaint to have against the position of SGE in terms of its identity

[YarnMage48]

I would say that the SGE is just a worse SCH argument is arguing in favour of wanting more job diversity simply because SGE really doesn’t actually do anything better than SCH

Complaining that two classes are functionally identical but one is just better on pretty much every front I think is a perfectly valid complaint to have against the position of SGE in terms of its identity

But why do you think that Scholar is better? They have similarities but they play very differently.

[Aravell]

Frankly I think that Kardia requiring DPS uptime is neat. It requires player skill.

This would be true if we didn't already spend up to 90% of each fight mashing the Dosis button. They also could really have done more with Kardia rather than making it a 'Regen but it only ticks when I mash my filler button' ability.

[Tint]

I'm also tired of Sage being described as a "worse scholar" Kardia is just "Selene but it sucks". Like. We got something unique with that. And what did we do? We complained that its not as "good" as SCH. Frankly I think that Kardia requiring DPS uptime is neat. It requires player skill.

Kardia requires dps uptime because it does nothing more than mirroring the fairy casting Embrace while the ajoining SCH is dpsing.

When the SCH stops dpsing and casts heals instead, then the fairy will contine to heal alongside the SCH, that's why the fairy is "better". The healing kit of SCH is spread over himself and the fairy.

Sage on the other hand doesn't need Kardia to heal alongside himself when he stops dpsing. He does everything Kardia (the fairy) would do by himself.


Kardia is just a lazy solution to the problem that they never could balance Noct AST and SCH.

[YarnMage48]

Kardia requires dps uptime because it does nothing more than mirroring the fairy casting Embrace while the ajoining SCH is dpsing.

When the SCH stops dpsing and casts heals instead, then the fairy will contine to heal alongside the SCH, that's why the fairy is "better". The healing kit of SCH is spread over himself and the fairy.

Sage on the other hand doesn't need Kardia to heal alongside himself when he stops dpsing. He does everything Kardia (the fairy) would do by himself.


Kardia is just a lazy solution to the problem that they never could balance Noct AST and SCH.

I'm genuinely not understanding how having the fairy heals along with GCD heals makes the scholar a better healer. And don't you lose the fairy heals if you use the fairy to fill your aetherflow gauge? So SCH also has times where you set the passive heal aside. Only with Sage, you get Kardia heals back as soon as you start DPSing again. Sch has to wait 30 seconds to get their fairy back. That's 30 seconds where you have to make up for the lost Embrace heals. Being able to immediately pick up the Kardia effect is a lot more adaptable. In general, that's the advantage that Sage has over Scholar. For example, Scholar can use Emergency Tactics to turn their next Adloquium into a big pure heal. Sage can use Pepsis to turn existing shields into a heal. BUT. On Sage, those shields are instant cast so I an pull that off while running, and I can make that decision after I've put the shield out. Scholar still needs to get the cast out, unless they use Recitation, and they have to decide on that plan beforehand. Sage has adaptability that Scholar doesn't.

If the Sage can do everything themselves that a Scholar can do with a Fairy, then doesn't that mean that the Sage is the better healer? We don't need fairies to "pick up our slack" after all. We can do it all ourselves without some silly fairy! That being said, I'm thoroughly opposed to the idea that one healer is "better" than the other. I like Scholar and I think the integration of fairy skills is great. Scholar and Sage have different play styles and different strengths. And that's perfectly fine. We're gonna have to appreciate and enjoy differences without playing games about classes being "better" or "worse" if we want more class differentiation.

[Absurdity]

Also, they could have at least made Oracle more... distinct in function from the other 'it does big damage' attacks added with DT. Like, I would suggest making it do 12 hits of 70p, one for each of the Twelve (since it uses their symbols in the VFX). That way, it's super-resistant to Crit Variance, as there's 12 individual 'did it Crit' rolls to do. And what if we get a little more creative: The colour of the VFX changes, to mirror your Patron Deity. You picked Halone? Ice Blue Oracle. You picked Oschon? Green Oracle. Rhalgr, Purple Oracle, etc. A nice little way for people to show what they picked for that one, otherwise entirely fluff choice at the start of the game

But why would they? Literally every other job just got a pointless "finisher" nuke stapled to it in Dawntrail with 100% flash and 0% substance. Not even the golden child that is melee DPS got anything with more thought behind it, obviously AST wouldn't be the exception.