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  1. #8311
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    Alice Rivers
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 100
    As a point of curiosity, why is SCH/SGE better for world firsts than AST/SCH? I know SGE does more dps than AST but I would have thought the party buff and damage cards from AST would tip the scales.
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  2. #8312
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    Maltothoris's Avatar
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    Malto Thoris
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    As a point of curiosity, why is SCH/SGE better for world firsts than AST/SCH? I know SGE does more dps than AST but I would have thought the party buff and damage cards from AST would tip the scales.
    It's more so the amount of mitigation that the two have together. Also with these two together, you can get the highest value of out of critlo as well with say combining karsis and protraction together before anything else.\

    Edit: Theoretically, you could keep a permanent 10 percent down with SGE and SCh rotating between Scared Soil and Kerachole if needed, you also have the fact that SGE shields like Haima and Panhamia can stack with sch succor and the like and consolation as well. Then with both having access with holos and expedient as well. And that's off the top of my heal.
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    Last edited by Maltothoris; 08-10-2024 at 08:37 AM.

  3. #8313
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    Sharknado Shortcake
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    Alpha
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    White Mage Lv 100
    From doing 91-100 on WAR and WHM the lack of healers is quite noticeable



    Even saw DPS "in need" for the lvl 100 dungeons... mitigation healers also on strike?
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  4. #8314
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    As a point of curiosity, why is SCH/SGE better for world firsts than AST/SCH? I know SGE does more dps than AST but I would have thought the party buff and damage cards from AST would tip the scales.
    I think this can simply be chalked up to the fact that progging a fight for 18 hours on AST will strain your fingers, so most people opt not to do that because there's other viable alternatives.
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  5. #8315
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    Tigore Collson
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    Ultros
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I still mostly see tank as the adventurer in need for Ultros, but I have still been able to cash in on the leveling roulette materia clusters as a healer every time.

    I think some players are attempting to fill the void for my area, but my Savage tank friend mentioned some of them are not quite experienced enough for our 90 - 100 content. I found a healer bot meme for him and he said the bot would be better if it can at least use 1 Holy stun >.>
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  6. #8316
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    Galen Amaranthe
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    Leviathan
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    I started this game in 1.0 as a healer...usually love healing...lvld whm first through EW. Took a break after EW about a year or two ago.

    I tried it again today. I'm not doing it again unless there are big changes.
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  7. #8317
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    Malia Tri'el
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    Behemoth
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    Bard Lv 100
    I started playing healer again starting with SGE as it is the last role I need get every job to 100. From an experienced player, but very casual healer's perspective, I think the Dawntrail dungeons are a bit better balanced in terms of healing requirements -- at least the bosses. Trash is still trash. Combining spreads/stacks with the usual dodge/find the safe spot mechanics or even just the casts that set up mechanics dealing additional raidwide damage is very welcome as it increases the amount of unavoidable damage. It is unfortunate that the rest of the general audience fights in the levels below DT are not to this quality. Even with the fight complexity being slightly increased, healer gameplay is still mostly spamming your DPS spell.

    Healers getting more DPS actions early on in the 90-100 leveling process is a step in the right direction, but still too little too late as the actions are usually tied to long cooldowns, and it isn't cool that players will only have access to them in level 92+ instances. Healers are still missing a better DPS spam.
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  8. #8318
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tigore View Post
    I still mostly see tank as the adventurer in need for Ultros, but I have still been able to cash in on the leveling roulette materia clusters as a healer every time.

    I think some players are attempting to fill the void for my area, but my Savage tank friend mentioned some of them are not quite experienced enough for our 90 - 100 content. I found a healer bot meme for him and he said the bot would be better if it can at least use 1 Holy stun >.>
    using Holy is fine.. if you have the time. hard to use it if the tanks HP is disappearing faster than ice cream at a kiddie party and they arent using mitigation. rather try keeping the tank up in that case, if I have time, sure, use a stun, heal the tank, but if they are undergeared and using no mits... the time it takes to stun, you'll lose the tank most of the time
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

  9. #8319
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    Malia Tri'el
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    Behemoth
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    Also mitigation still being the answer to everything, and regens not feeling as useful as they could be is still a problem. It's still imbalanced.
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  10. #8320
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    Tigore Collson
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    Ultros
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    White Mage Lv 100
    @Kes13a

    My friend was just making a bit of a joke as a troll. It's almost impossible for me to accurately gauge what spells were actually used. It sounds like Cure 1 spam from his end with the healers he got when Afflatus Solace, Regen and Cure 2 would be far better ones to use.

    The situation you mentioned might happen in Aurum Vale with how tight damage can get there with no Medica 2. I have used Swiftcast with the Holy to get the stun out quicker and used Benediction to make it work. It is quite often I give all 4 members Regen for the boss battles in that dungeon due to the AoE damage being high.

    Aside from Aurum Vale, I have often times placed a Regen on the tank while they pull with the HoT no longer drawing stray enemy hate. Works pretty well to slowly get the tank back up to full while the enemies are stunned to death. I have Afflatus spells and Tetragrammaton ready too in case a stray mini tank buster is thrown out in between stuns.
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    Last edited by Tigore; 08-10-2024 at 02:42 PM.

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