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  1. #8411
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    The problem is less "healer should heal" and more that the rest of the design doesnt support the approach, if we would actualy mostly heal and use out broad arsenal of abilities and only attack when we have a window for it then we would partialy sing a other tune. We would probably still complain about the weak class design overall but atleast there design would work.
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  2. #8412
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayalu View Post
    The problem is less "healer should heal" and more that the rest of the design doesnt support the approach, if we would actualy mostly heal and use out broad arsenal of abilities and only attack when we have a window for it then we would partialy sing a other tune. We would probably still complain about the weak class design overall but atleast there design would work.
    Problem is ff14 has not been designed for this for 10 years so if they wanna make this design work they'll have to rework all new encounters to promote this then we will have 10 years worth of the opposite for new players to go through and be confused by once they hit the new encounter design.
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  3. #8413
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    Problem is ff14 has not been designed for this for 10 years so if they wanna make this design work they'll have to rework all new encounters to promote this then we will have 10 years worth of the opposite for new players to go through and be confused by once they hit the new encounter design.
    This. Can't adjust/fix one without adjusting/fixing the other, and that terrifies them. The undertaking would be massive.
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  4. #8414
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayalu View Post
    Its nice to hear new voices from outside of the typical Forum Visitors, it showes that the problem described exists and gets perceived even without the Strike.
    Because some people act and tell others that its just a handful of people being loud without any substance behind the critic.
    And well new people that saw it before show that this isnt the case.
    I'm a pretty "casual" player in some ways, but I actually canceled my sub over this. Today was the end date for my sub, and I was thinking about reactivating but have decided not to. The game has a ton to offer, but playing healer is what I enjoyed most. I loved how dynamic the gameplay was. It reminded me of playing Druid from WoW or some of the classes like Cleric and Friar from DAoC back in the day. 85% of my time spent was just playing one of the four healers. I even preordered Dawntrail and got some of my other characters to 90 in the meantime, but then I just kind of abandoned the game because it wasn't fun anymore for me. I actually stopped playing FFXIV a while ago and let my sub keep running to see if things might change.

    Most of the other roles are just too linear for me. I think the video on YouTube about #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE got recommended to me because I've been searching over the past few days for a new multiplayer game to play. I will 100% come back if they fix (or transform) healing. I'm totally down to play a buff/debuff role. Loved playing Bard and Enchanter in the original EQ.

    I am probably well in the minority, but I don't think I am alone. There are definitely people who play this game for just one single element, and for me that was being Healy McHealerson. But nobody needs Healy no more.
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  5. #8415
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralphthemagician View Post
    I'm a pretty "casual" player in some ways, but I actually canceled my sub over this. Today was the end date for my sub, and I was thinking about reactivating but have decided not to. The game has a ton to offer, but playing healer is what I enjoyed most. I loved how dynamic the gameplay was. It reminded me of playing Druid from WoW or some of the classes like Cleric and Friar from DAoC back in the day. 85% of my time spent was just playing one of the four healers. I even preordered Dawntrail and got some of my other characters to 90 in the meantime, but then I just kind of abandoned the game because it wasn't fun anymore for me. I actually stopped playing FFXIV a while ago and let my sub keep running to see if things might change.

    Most of the other roles are just too linear for me. I think the video on YouTube about #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE got recommended to me because I've been searching over the past few days for a new multiplayer game to play. I will 100% come back if they fix (or transform) healing. I'm totally down to play a buff/debuff role. Loved playing Bard and Enchanter in the original EQ.

    I am probably well in the minority, but I don't think I am alone. There are definitely people who play this game for just one single element, and for me that was being Healy McHealerson. But nobody needs Healy no more.
    wouldnt it be nice if SE had some kind of exit survey? that way they could have numbers and reasons.. instead, SE and people like Striker just prefer people disappear and never give a reason as to why they left. I agree with you, they have neglected to do anything about market bots, so crafting died for me, and they obviously dont give a rats behind about people who enjoy healing.. so not much left here for me either.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

  6. #8416
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    There definitely should be better ways for international players to get a message to the devs than just hoping someone takes the message to them... And if they only listen to Japanese forums, maybe the solution is to just start blasting the forums up with machine translated posts.
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  7. #8417
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    There definitely should be better ways for international players to get a message to the devs than just hoping someone takes the message to them... And if they only listen to Japanese forums, maybe the solution is to just start blasting the forums up with machine translated posts.
    They'd probably just lock and/or delete the threads, rather than actually ask themselves 'hmm, wonder why all the non-JP players are posting Google Translated posts on the JP forums instead of using the EN ones'

    Quote Originally Posted by ralphthemagician View Post
    Most of the other roles are just too linear for me. I think the video on YouTube about #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE got recommended to me because I've been searching over the past few days for a new multiplayer game to play. I will 100% come back if they fix (or transform) healing. I'm totally down to play a buff/debuff role. Loved playing Bard and Enchanter in the original EQ.
    AST could have easily been the 'job for players who prefer buffing allies instead of dealing damage', by making the cards be a more central part of the gameplay, but they went the opposite direction with DT and reduced how much the cards have an effect on damage
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  8. #8418
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    wouldnt it be nice if SE had some kind of exit survey? that way they could have numbers and reasons..
    With that back end to even buy the game and subscribe to it. It would be a miracle if they could have a preset choice exit survey, the only thing that perfectly works in the back end is buying cosmetics.
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  9. #8419
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    Percibel Theren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    using Holy is fine.. if you have the time. hard to use it if the tanks HP is disappearing faster than ice cream at a kiddie party and they arent using mitigation. rather try keeping the tank up in that case, if I have time, sure, use a stun, heal the tank, but if they are undergeared and using no mits... the time it takes to stun, you'll lose the tank most of the time
    Sure, but how often does this really happen? I've had a 660 iLvl tank in Origenics and even then I only had to GCD heal sometimes. Besides, Swiftcast + Holy when the tank parks the mobs is a LOT of mitigation because they effectively don't deal any damage for a good while.
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  10. #8420
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    As a first step bandaid fix just buff all Healers damage to match tanks... Or if they suddenly pretend to be worried about balance, drop down Tank DPS and make the two meet halfway.

    And then they can start working on making Healers have more to do in fights than just spamming one spell.
    As much as I would enjoy the utter chaos that would happen if they nerfed tank DPS, I think upping healer DPS would probably be the better choice. I don't know why they deal less damage than tanks. They are both "support" roles that bring something besides their raw DPS, so about equal damage makes sense to me.

    Is this another "but if we make the poor healers press their damage buttons, they won't be able to focus on healing" thing?
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