#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[CaptainLagbeard]

If someone dies too much, it's ok to just leave them on the ground.

They're not going to contribute all that much between all their deaths and it's just not worth the MP (if you're not a WHM and can't Thin Air it).

[Connor]

If someone dies too much, it's ok to just leave them on the ground.

See, I may be alone in this but outside of some extreme situations (I.e someone repeatedly jumps off side of the arena) I don’t think this is ever ‘ok’.

Whether it’s because of skill or connection issues or whatever I don’t think ‘just giving up’ on someone because they hit a certain amount of deaths is ever the right way forward. I mean, I can completely understand doing what you can to help them and they die anyway lol, even healers have their limits. As a Scholar I can’t say I generally have MP issues even when raising unless I get bored and use Seraphism to start spamming Accession ( “you WILL be healed!!!! …and I’ll look ugly as hell doing it”. Though I do meld piety because idk masochism I guess lol.

But still, I feel like even if someone’s doing it to be a ‘troll’, making a conscious decision to refuse to heal them further isn’t going to solve anything, and it isn’t going to ‘teach them’ some sort of lesson. If anything it’s just going to make these players even less likely to be ‘team players’ (i.e “if I die too much healers refuse to raise me why should I do anything to make their life easier?”)

[Azurarok]

No yeah if a player's actively giving an effort to try to stay alive and failing at it I want to encourage them to keep trying. I love using RDM since I can help with that arguably more than a healer could.

But there are people out there that do act in bad faith and I'm just not gonna tolerate that.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Well if someone wants to lie on the ground, who am I to deny the floor tank their job?


Edit:
If you want to argue not spamming res on someone should be a reportable offense, not doing DPS by being constantly dead should also be a reportable offense.

[Connor]

Well if someone wants to lie on the ground, who am I to deny the floor tank their job?


Edit:
If you want to argue not spamming res on someone should be a reportable offense, not doing DPS by being constantly dead should also be a reportable offense.

Wouldn’t it be more like a dps standing around refusing to press their buttons? I mean, if they’re constantly dead they’re literally incapable of doing damage, so it may not be a conscious choice. Again, that’s assuming they’re not doing things like intentionally throwing themselves into aoes or the like, then they’re just trolling.

And I mean, whether or not it’s a ‘reportable offense’ is really up to the moderators. But I’d like to hope they’d consider the context in any case. I’d say it’s more of a playstyle thing than anything.

Plus isn’t there that thing about ‘lethargic play’? If you’re like, healing so much you don’t have the MP/GCDs to cast Resurrection etc then nobody could reasonably try to report you for not immediately reviving them. But if you’re just spamming Glare standing over their dead body with a near-full MP bar, I don’t see why there’d be any reason not to Raise someone, even if they had died a load of times. I mean, it’s only 1 GCD worth of dps potency loss if you have Swiftcast.

Not to say that ‘refusing to raise someone’ should start being an actual reportable offense, just that it’s not how I personally approach the situation

[CaptainLagbeard]

Plus isn’t there that thing about ‘lethargic play’? If you’re like, healing so much you don’t have the MP/GCDs to cast Resurrection etc then nobody could reasonably try to report you for not immediately reviving them. But if you’re just spamming Glare standing over their dead body with a near-full MP bar, I don’t see why there’d be any reason not to Raise someone, even if they had died a load of times. I mean, it’s only 1 GCD worth of dps potency loss if you have Swiftcast.

Dying by not even attempting to avoid AoEs falls under the same "lethargic play" category.

[Absurdity]

See, I may be alone in this but outside of some extreme situations (I.e someone repeatedly jumps off side of the arena) I don’t think this is ever ‘ok’.

Whether it’s because of skill or connection issues or whatever I don’t think ‘just giving up’ on someone because they hit a certain amount of deaths is ever the right way forward. I mean, I can completely understand doing what you can to help them and they die anyway lol, even healers have their limits. As a Scholar I can’t say I generally have MP issues even when raising unless I get bored and use Seraphism to start spamming Accession ( “you WILL be healed!!!! …and I’ll look ugly as hell doing it”. Though I do meld piety because idk masochism I guess lol.

So there absolutely is a case where you just have to give up on them, it's when you have to consider your options.
If I raise this player who died 6 times now, do I run out of MP?
Do I potentially take damage myself because Swiftcast isn't available?
Do I run out of oGCD resources trying to get their health back up, leading to potentially more dead people?

[ApolloGenX]

Well if someone wants to lie on the ground, who am I to deny the floor tank their job?


Edit:
If you want to argue not spamming res on someone should be a reportable offense, not doing DPS by being constantly dead should also be a reportable offense.

If, could, maybe.... this is just a contrarian argument about a tangent. This "What If: is not the scenario the OP described. You might as well be arguing that the person was spamming insults the whole time.... it has nothing to do with the situation at hand.

Anyway, wishing the best to everyone in their experiences.

[Naychan]

ok fine they stood in a few mechs, they could have survived had you done your job, theirs is damage. yours it to heal, petty and low for you to just not heal them and play your part of the group properly. telling someone to "be careful to not make a healer angry" is classic healer toxic god complex. neither of you were a team player in this situation and im not defending the DPS at all here, but you could have been the bigger person and not be petty about it and just say "we'll be better off as a group if we work together". but naw you stooped just as low as the DPS, no sympathy for you from me.

So people who play healers should just take chit from other players? They asked them to do mechanics (OH LIKE EVERYBODY ESLSE DOES), they choose to be a snarky jerk and not do the mechanics. It sounds like they were asked nicely, and still choose to be a jerk. A simple sorry im being a jerk would have cleared it all up. But since they were talking to a healer I supposes they don’t have to use basic courtesy like a normal human being. Them being an Ahole has nothing to do with them being a DPS and everything with them being a chit person.

[alfarini]

So people who play healers should just take chit from other players? They asked them to do mechanics (OH LIKE EVERYBODY ESLSE DOES), they choose to be a snarky jerk and not do the mechanics. It sounds like they were asked nicely, and still choose to be a jerk. A simple sorry im being a jerk would have cleared it all up. But since they were talking to a healer I supposes they don’t have to use basic courtesy like a normal human being. Them being an Ahole has nothing to do with them being a DPS and everything with them being a chit person.

Nope thats not what I am saying, it does not mean a healer (or anyone) should just "take shit" from others and deal with it. What I am saying is that stooping to their level and refusing to play as a team player is just as bad as not doing mechanics or something similar.

I said to be the bigger person and be a positive in the experience, not additional to the toxicity. And no, they aren't going to just say "oh I'm so sorry" because that's not who they are and are possibly just looking to trigger people for fun. The healer in this particular situation was not above scrutiny either, from their post saying essentially "don't make me angry, you wont like me when I'm angry"
Is in fact just as toxic as it's a threat to another player if taken that way.

Lastly "them being an ahole has nothing to do with them being a dps" dps in my post is a place holder for a character name as all we know is dps viper. So yes it doesn't have anything to do with being a dps, anyone can be a shit person. In this particular instance it was a shit dps person.

I'm done here take your Fat L.