#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Lorika]

We'll find out when 8.0 lands.

No we don't.
People should really start to read what YoshiP say : They will work on Job Identity... Which mean SFX/VFX not gameplay.

[Azurarok]

This and this, I cannot insist on how true it is.
Regarding the phys ranged shortage, it seems right now that having a phys ranged in your comp instead of double melees double casters is a loss dps wise :') , and not a small one.

No competent healers want to heal absolute disaster players in raid, be it uptime greedy melees, lost in narnia pct/smn and worst of all having to solo carry because your coheal is terrible. Litteraly everything in the current state of the game is pushing great healers out.

Who feels like breaking a sweat to carry mulitple level 100 players in expert content who wouldnt pass (and it's not an overstatement) the novice trial...

When you're in a full static it's totally fine tho, the problem is setting such a static in the current state, the overcasualization of the game really brought some "laid back" players with habits unfit for prog, in savage.

No yeah the one SCH who opened with 6 energy drains and blamed their cohealer (not me, I was a dps) for wiping the group in the first set of raidwides can stay in my blacklist. I'm also guilty of letting a raid wipe from trying to dps during P10S' Harrowing Hell I'M SORRY I'M PART OF THE PROBLEM

At any rate I feel like a lot of things the role's lost over the years was more due to bad experiences with a healer player as opposed to having a rough time playing healer, and the funny thing is that doing so didn't seem to have fixed the problem. Possibly made it worse even.

[PercibelTheren]

But isn't the solution to that the same, to lessen the fail condition of healing?

Not really. The solution is to implement systems into the game that teach players how to play properly.

[PercibelTheren]

Complaints are both that parties don't want to deal with shit healers and healers don't want to deal with shit parties. There's another also claiming all the good ones get recruited into statics. Seems there's a notable shortage of physranged in some DCs right now as well.

Probably not a coincidence the JP SCH thread is discussing removing Energy Drain again, considering.

There's a notable shortage of physranged on EU as well. I can very easily get into PFs as DNC if they have that slot open. Quite a few don't and just go double caster because Picto can make up for the 1% lost for not including physranged.

[ForsakenRoe]

Not really. The solution is to implement systems into the game that teach players how to play properly.

And with that, comes the very alien concept (to SE at least) of having job design which guides the player towards the 'correct' gameplay. As an example, an idea I advocate on WHM: casting spells that cost MP (Damage or Healing) could fill a gauge. That gauge could be spent on a powerful healing action. Then, using that gauge spender would grant access to Quake, Flood and Tornado (in place of Glare, Banish (new button) and Dia), as a way to refund the damage lost to casting the healing action. By making the gauge build at a much faster rate when casting healing spells instead of damage spells (eg losing damage to casting Medica2, Cure3 etc), it incentivizes the player to move from casting those damage-loss spells, to casting the 'damage neutral' gauge spender. And then the flashing buttons/the procs for Quake etc, would incentivize the player to the next step, of spending the proc to deal damage.

The issue with SE's design is that they don't often have these kinds of design systems, that nudge the player towards the 'correct gameplay'. Instead, the few times they do try to have such systems, they end up hamfisting it and it ends up like Viper: The game lights up the correct button to press and it becomes a game of 'press flashing button'

[CaptainLagbeard]

Not really. The solution is to implement systems into the game that teach players how to play properly.

Maybe such a system could take the form a series of fights that aren't hard by any means but would be extremely resistant to being just brute forced through by people who can't read instructions.

[Alice_Rivers]

No we don't.
People should really start to read what YoshiP say : They will work on Job Identity... Which mean SFX/VFX not gameplay.

You misinterpreted my comment, I'm saying that if they're going to fix job balance they will do/say so before 8.0 lands, like how they said they were adjusting diffuculty in DT before 7.0 arrived and how they're doing job identity in 8.0, again, before 7.0 arrived.

[Kes13a]

Maybe such a system could take the form a series of fights that aren't hard by any means but would be extremely resistant to being just brute forced through by people who can't read instructions.

while I like that idea.... our resident 'majoriteh' leader would complain about "gatekeeping"

[CaptainLagbeard]

while I like that idea.... our resident 'majoriteh' leader would complain about "gatekeeping"

Well if a tutorial manages to gatekeep people out...

[gllt]

Well if a tutorial manages to gatekeep people out...

This is what happened to Ring Racers players and it was awesome.