Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[DallsBeep]

You seem to be under the mistaken belief that the ones dominating (or dictating rather, they make the rules for the mode and not Square-Enix) do so based on talent or skill

I don't think so buddy, I've made it abundantly clear how I believe they're doing it, they're fed an endless supply of transient casual players to abuse. That's 100% how they're doing it lmao The rest of your post is just pure what-if's and conjecture. Yes I'm completely sure removing PVE exp from a PVP game mode is going to render it insanely crazy toxic, that's quite a leap there. You PVP to PVP, if you're just there for the rewards and you're not going to l2p and contribute, it's no different than showing up to a high tier raid and expecting to roll when you weren't geared for it and didn't understand the mechs and spent the whole fight dead. That's something you have to pay other players to do for you in an MMO. Why all of a sudden in PVP we have this mentality that we have to just toss out rewards to people who don't actually engage with the content in a way that you know, merits the reward? PVE'ers are just as toxic and non-inclusive when it comes to something as petty as a normal dungeon run. They complain over lots of things that costs them mere seconds. So, no, I'm not being unduly harsh to small woodland creatures or anything.

What is it you're asking for exactly? Except for obviously the removal of an obstacle that's standing between you and FL wins. Irrespective of how "cheap" or "unskilled" it might be, that's literally all I can attribute to your posts in essence. "I want to win"..well..so do the people who queue together in pre-mades, what makes your desire for W's in PVP more important than theirs?

[Aidorouge]

What is it you're asking for exactly? Except for obviously the removal of an obstacle that's standing between you and FL wins. Irrespective of how "cheap" or "unskilled" it might be, that's literally all I can attribute to your posts in essence. "I want to win"..well..so do the people who queue together in pre-mades, what makes your desire for W's in PVP more important than theirs?

What I want is a sporting and satisfying competition, which is close to impossible in Frontlines right now. I mean, my FL roulette yesterday (because one round is about all I can stand these days) was the opposite of the day before, my team was at 1400 when the next closest one was at 700, and it didn't feel good in the slightest, especially the part where it felt like I was a non-factoring spectator to the uncannily coordinated and inhumanly fast group on my side that was smearing the other two teams single-handily (especially at mid). You complain about people "not wanting to engage" but that's exactly what happens when a premade and/or plugin users show up and spoon feed you a win, your own participation is rendered optional to the point you wonder why you and the other people on your side were even there. I'll take close wins and close loses over roffle-stomps every time, because at least with those I can gauge when and where a right or wrong call made the difference, whereas blowouts only teach you "and the real lesson is kids, never try".

I've honestly gotten tighter matches in Triple Triad and Chocobo Racing in the last few months, which says a lot about the state of PVP that it's become less than an over-glorified mini-game, and that's keeping in mind the stuff at the Gold Saucer is chock full of BS and RNG, but it's at least a part of the game's mechanics, as opposed to the players who come off like an invasive species (especially on Dynamis) with their current methods and tools.

And I say PVP "in general" because Rival Wings and Crystaline Conflict have their own share of problems too, so it's not even like I can just skip FL and play a different mode instead ...not that RW would ever pop outside of mogtome events anyway.

[DallsBeep]

where it felt like I was a non-factoring spectator to the uncannily coordinated and inhumanly fast group

lol The question was rhetorical because you're constantly describing things like this. You seem to think everyone in a premade is a bot and it's just funny. In you saying that, you're the one making the allegation that premades are somehow skillful, you're giving them more credit than they deserve by attributing "inhuman abilities" to them. When the far easier answer is the one I presented which is, they're playing against cattle thus they slaughter them like cattle. I for one don't mind should they continue to do so because it's entirely within the rules to make a premade and clown on people wanting their daily exp. Anyone with PVP chops and friends could do that. The more I see people complain about it the funnier the whole thing gets to me.

[Aidorouge]

lol The question was rhetorical because you're constantly describing things like this. You seem to think everyone in a premade is a bot and it's just funny. In you saying that, you're the one making the allegation that premades are somehow skillful, you're giving them more credit than they deserve by attributing "inhuman abilities" to them. When the far easier answer is the one I presented which is, they're playing against cattle thus they slaughter them like cattle. I for one don't mind should they continue to do so because it's entirely within the rules to make a premade and clown on people wanting their daily exp. Anyone with PVP chops and friends could do that. The more I see people complain about it the funnier the whole thing gets to me.

...I wasn't implying that particular group was skillful, I was implying they're perhaps using less then legitimate means to win because contrary to popular belief, cheats and hacks *do* exist for FF14's PVP as pathetic as that sounds, and the blowout was even worse than the one I took a picture of. The only difference is that I personally benefited from their methods and tools, which feels worse than losing to them, because I now have to doubt EVERY win and KO I've ever made up until now because people like this can end up on my team just as much as I end up against them.

PVP chops, tch, as if there's any way for me to assess if I was ever good or bad now, and that trying to improve at all is meaningless when there's outside factors determining every single match.

[OliviaLugria]

The thread is back I see. It is a bit sad to see the fronlines skill level regress so much with the expansion launch. If you're aiming for wins, please seek out the resources and guides to help you improve.

If you don't know where to look I'll be happy to share.

[saucyshortcake]

The thread is back I see. It is a bit sad to see the fronlines skill level regress so much with the expansion launch. If you're aiming for wins, please seek out the resources and guides to help you improve.

If you don't know where to look I'll be happy to share.

90% of the people queueing right now don't care about either winning or improving, they care about getting their daily roulette done because they dont have any real interest in pvp in game where pvp is not a focus.

not like they really need a resource anyway, each job has like 2 aoe buttons, jump in with a drk then everyone presses them. such hard.

[Mawlzy]

90% of the people queueing right now don't care about either winning or improving, they care about getting their daily roulette done because they dont have any real interest in pvp in game where pvp is not a focus.

not like they really need a resource anyway, each job has like 2 aoe buttons, jump in with a drk then everyone presses them. such hard.

Good gravy, don't tell Olivia that! She wrote a highly-acclaimed novella on the topic. (Soon to be released as an improvised PPV event featuring former cast members of Happy Days.) Unfortunately, it promotes precisely the playstyle that has led to the majority of the player base to not give a tinker's cuss about the mode.

[Mawlzy]

The thread is back I see. It is a bit sad to see the fronlines skill level regress so much with the expansion launch. If you're aiming for wins, please seek out the resources and guides to help you improve.

If you don't know where to look I'll be happy to share.

Do you have any resources for those of us who simply want enjoyable, balanced matches, rather than the miserable monotony of the DRK+ premade meta?

[Aidorouge]

The thread is back I see. It is a bit sad to see the fronlines skill level regress so much with the expansion launch. If you're aiming for wins, please seek out the resources and guides to help you improve.

I have no interest in these "resources" given they're all pretty much going to be the very thing I've been complaining about (it's just going to be how to make a premade, which jobs to stack, what to download/install for that "competitive edge" even if it's just some kind of voice chat program). I don't want my solution to be "just become part of the problem" because at that point I might as well just use a bot that plays the mode for me and then watch and wait to see where the coin flip landed.

So no, I don't want any help from the likes of you or your kind, doubly so knowing how you really feel about players like me outside of the exclusive club you've built for yourselves (drive us to quit, eh?), and I'm not any more willing to have *you* blow smoke up my backside than when I was doing it to myself when you claim that you "want to see other people improve". What a crock.

[Crusader1]

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