Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[Mawlzy]

Lol, It was a fun event. How could you possibly call them selfish and narcissist though? Everyone in that discord is really nice and do themed events almost every week, and tons of pvp in the community would love a custom match for FL.

I really can't understand how much dissonance and hate people have for teamwork and cooperation in a multi-player game. It's like you hate the very idea of working together.

Most WoLs dislike being cast as an extra in a play in which someone else is the hero. I'm sure they're all wonderful people. But most of us didn't sign up for an "event." We were simply victims of it. I guess it produced a "fun" stream for those in the clique.

There is no hate for teamwork. What people want is to work together on a level playing field. The irony is that in a premade you can potentially carry a match working exclusively with 3 other people, whereas those who solo queue are attempting to work with 23.

[Yengur]

PVP sux
pass it on

[Archeron]

Really they're never going to do anything to fix Frontlines unless we take all of the absolute trash gameplay we have on North America and ship it all straight to the JP DC's. An organized event perhaps. Ruin all of their front line matches for weeks. Stack every single queue with premades, Scholars, any toxic combos you can think of, you queue with it. Suck the life and fun out of frontlines on their home turf. More than likely even that'll accomplish nothing, and Square will continue to not care, but whats the worst that can happen aside from a lot of wasted time.

[Mawlzy]

Really they're never going to do anything to fix Frontlines unless we take all of the absolute trash gameplay we have on North America and ship it all straight to the JP DC's. An organized event perhaps. Ruin all of their front line matches for weeks. Stack every single queue with premades, Scholars, any toxic combos you can think of, you queue with it. Suck the life and fun out of frontlines on their home turf. More than likely even that'll accomplish nothing, and Square will continue to not care, but whats the worst that can happen aside from a lot of wasted time.

Yeah if people just wanted to try unusual stacks or complete teams with a single job, they would be asking for a separate queue mode, rather than having to jump through hoops to create these things. The fact they don't demonstrates they're simply trolling.

[Aravell]

Really they're never going to do anything to fix Frontlines unless we take all of the absolute trash gameplay we have on North America and ship it all straight to the JP DC's. An organized event perhaps. Ruin all of their front line matches for weeks. Stack every single queue with premades, Scholars, any toxic combos you can think of, you queue with it. Suck the life and fun out of frontlines on their home turf. More than likely even that'll accomplish nothing, and Square will continue to not care, but whats the worst that can happen aside from a lot of wasted time.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but JP already does those combos. In fact, when a DRK commander is on field, pug players willingly swap to jobs like RPR/WAR/DRG/AST without being asked, just because everyone wants to win.

You can also see organic SCH stacking happen in some matches, where people just see a bunch of SCHs and they swap to SCH too, some on the team with multiple SCHs also swap to BRD/AST for maximum DoT effect.

Going to JP won't help, they're already aware of these strategies and they're also employing them.

[Nubrication]

I'm not sure if you're aware, but JP already does those combos. In fact, when a DRK commander is on field, pug players willingly swap to jobs like RPR/WAR/DRG/AST without being asked, just because everyone wants to win.

You can also see organic SCH stacking happen in some matches, where people just see a bunch of SCHs and they swap to SCH too, some on the team with multiple SCHs also swap to BRD/AST for maximum DoT effect.

Going to JP won't help, they're already aware of these strategies and they're also employing them.

If only more NA players did this. In regards to my team: If I see a good DRK, I immediately swap to RPR/DNC/WAR to help them. If I see a bunch of bottom tier tanks, then I play a carry. If we have little to no good tanks, then I play ranged. It just seems like common sense.

Instead we have people running to an S node (on the other side of the map) when another team is about to win. They don't realize that the S node doesn't matter when the other team wins in a few seconds.
We (team A) have people see that team B is 50 pts ahead of everyone early game and they tell the alliance to focus that team even though we have safer nodes closer to base being pushed by team C who is currently last place.
We have people that don't know how to pinch and end up being pinched instead.
We have people hit a guarded target or tank when an enemy ranged with BH is right next to them.
We have people go for BIG ice when SMALL ice has spawned.
And I can go on.

This is not directed to your comment but to the people crying about RNG. Yes: RNG can give you a win every so often BUT ultimately it's up to people playing as a team and using their brains that secures victories. And clearly in NA, that's usually really hard to do without a premade (because of the things listed above +).

[Eastwall]

If only more NA players did this. In regards to my team: If I see a good DRK, I immediately swap to RPR/DNC/WAR to help them. If I see a bunch of bottom tier tanks, then I play a carry. If we have little to no good tanks, then I play ranged. It just seems like common sense.

Instead we have people running to an S node (on the other side of the map) when another team is about to win. They don't realize that the S node doesn't matter when the other team wins in a few seconds.
We (team A) have people see that team B is 50 pts ahead of everyone early game and they tell the alliance to focus that team even though we have safer nodes closer to base being pushed by team C who is currently last place.
We have people that don't know how to pinch and end up being pinched instead.
We have people hit a guarded target or tank when an enemy ranged with BH is right next to them.
We have people go for BIG ice when SMALL ice has spawned.
And I can go on.

This is not directed to your comment but to the people crying about RNG. Yes: RNG can give you a win every so often BUT ultimately it's up to people playing as a team and using their brains that secures victories. And clearly in NA, that's usually really hard to do without a premade (because of the things listed above +).

Map awareness and situational awareness are hard to learn. even people who play moba games lack it. Let alone a story game like ff14. People are usually there for the roulette bonus most likely.

[Aravell]

Instead we have people running to an S node (on the other side of the map) when another team is about to win. They don't realize that the S node doesn't matter when the other team wins in a few seconds.
We (team A) have people see that team B is 50 pts ahead of everyone early game and they tell the alliance to focus that team even though we have safer nodes closer to base being pushed by team C who is currently last place.

I've seen all these, I play on NA FL too. It's annoying to see everyone running to an A/S node that spawned on the other side of the map when the team you're hitting has a claimed B rank and is 20 points off winning. Also my personal favourite, games where everyone attacks the team at the very start of the match that's 10 points ahead and just keeps on hitting the same team for the entire match even though they're now last place by 500 points and the other team is 50 points from winning.

This is not directed to your comment but to the people crying about RNG. Yes: RNG can give you a win every so often BUT ultimately it's up to people playing as a team and using their brains that secures victories. And clearly in NA, that's usually really hard to do without a premade (because of the things listed above +).

Spawn RNG can honestly be a major factor in those really rare matches where all teams are equally skilled and can never gain much ground over the other. But yes, the RNG of who the 3rd team will hit can be a far larger factor in games than spawn RNG.

[Colt47]

I mean in general, PvP requires at least some kind of coordinator to function regardless of being frontlines or CC. Otherwise it just turns into a slug fest.

[OliviaLugria]

Really they're never going to do anything to fix Frontlines unless we take all of the absolute trash gameplay we have on North America and ship it all straight to the JP DC's. An organized event perhaps. Ruin all of their front line matches for weeks. Stack every single queue with premades, Scholars, any toxic combos you can think of, you queue with it. Suck the life and fun out of frontlines on their home turf. More than likely even that'll accomplish nothing, and Square will continue to not care, but whats the worst that can happen aside from a lot of wasted time.

This isn't really formatted in the form of a challenge is it? You wanted the "toxic' strats of working together and coordinating to go to JP and ruin their matches. What I and others were saying is that these sorts of comps and strategies are the norm there.

I don't really go to JP often because of the ping and language barrier, but plenty of people do, so consider your "challenge" completed. If you want more challenge as you say, you should probably be the one going to JP to avoid all the casuals who don't know how to burst, guard, hold an objective, etc.